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Member: Decentralized Twitter alternative, uncensorable, open source
- mullingitover 6y agoI'm curious how uncensorable this really is. If there's no moderation and there are posts violating FOSTA/SESTA, I'm pretty sure someone is going to be having a talk with their domain registrar at minimum. They're running on AWS (ask Parler how that's working out) and their contact is a gmail address, this seems like the opposite of uncensorable. Their github repo mentions "A host with good capacity and DDOS protection would be helpful to the project," which I'm assuming means it's also extremely vulnerable to DDOS.
- hanselot 6y agoThat's true, as soon as a large enough group of people act offended by something, AWS and big tech are required to censor them, in case people get a bad case of the "WRONG" opinion.
- leke 6y agoAs long as it is decentralised, the AWS thing shouldn't be a problem. It didn't seem to be for Diaspora.
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- FreeTrade 6y agoSo member.cash is an instance of Member - it's there to make it easy to see how it all works. Member is open source, so you can host a mirror on your own infrastructure. You might make that mirror available publicly, or you might use it privately. Shutting down all the public instances would likely be a game of whack-a-mole. Similarly, its not dependent on AWS, or a gmail address. While a single website might be vulnerable to DDOS, the vision is many independent instances which will allow for great redundancy.
- mullingitover 6y agoSo is this a federated thing like Mastodon, or is everyone operating a mirror running a copy of the whole site?
- zaarn 6y agoYes, but how would one go about removing posts that violate human decency? If I were to host an instance, I would want to not host any content illegal in my country (Child Porn for example). How do you go about preventing that?
- onion2k 6y agoShutting down all the public instances would likely be a game of whack-a-mole. It is like playing whack-a-mole, but with a government mallet that's 5 miles in diameter.
- sneak 6y ago
- helsinkiandrew 6y agoAs soon as this contains some illegal content - child pornography, violent/obscene content law enforcement will start going after anyone hosting a mirror and the ISPs/Hosting providers they are using, the whole thing will crumble like Napster.
- dcntrlized90 6y agoThe Achilles heel of all these services In the US it’s illegal to provide communications equipment or service to terrorists Sure, support decentralized chat services where terrorists are moving to avoid Twitter Enjoy having the FBI come to your door if they find out you have nodes on those networks Trusting people you don’t verify is never a good idea. Building a protocol that verifies computers but not the user of the computer is insane Oh yes, nice math you got there. But who is really on the other end?
- nintendo1889 6y agotwitter and reddit are full of this
- retpirato 6y agoNot to mention anti-Semitic tweets, & in the past Isis accounts, who were shutdown by a "3rd party".
- leke 6y agoThis can't be the first decentralised twitter clone, can it?
- FreeTrade 6y agoI believe it is the first public platform - the others are private platforms.
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- detaro 6y agoWhat's a "public platform" in this context?
- lubokkanev 6y agoMember is open source and anyone can run it privately.
- trog 6y agoTwister[1] came out several years ago (built using blockchain + BitTorrent tech), but looks like might now be abandonware. 1. http://twister.net.co/ http://twister.net.co/
- coderintherye 6y agoI'm not sure which would be the "first" or when member.cash started, but pretty sure Mastodon has been around longer. https://joinmastodon.org/ https://joinmastodon.org/
- jamesgeck0 6y agoMaybe OStatus sites? IIRC Identi.ca was around in 2011, but I don't remember if they were federated from the start or if that came a few years later.
- daminimal 6y agoThe very first post I read on this community Home Screen is “I am sad”. Doesn’t paint a promising picture.
- loopz 6y agoNext up: I am angry, nobody hears me.
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- mwilcox 6y agohttps://twetch.app https://twetch.app is similar but more popular. Uncensorable isn't the word I would use - the data is stored on the blockchain but the website is just like any other. The difference is instead of needing to 'export' your data - it can be instantly accessed through the bitcoin network
- FreeTrade 6y agoTwetch is interesting, especially the marketing. However, while it uses a blockchain, it is a private platform and does not use an open protocol (probably to create a moat).
- mullingitover 6y agoHow does it handle abuse? Can anyone sign up and just firehosing garbage into the blockchain?
- leshokunin 6y agoI've read what I could here, but I'm still not clear on how this differs from Mastodon. Is it the web client?
- iSnow 6y agoIt's PR for Bitcoin Cash, a blockchain looking for a problem.
- retpirato 6y agoIt differs from mastodon because it's on the blockchain & mastodon isn't. The problem is I don't see why that's better. Being on the blockchain also means a (less than a penny) processing fee, just as a standard BTC/BCH transaction, paid by you, so you're paying to post. The one advantage to that is users could potentially tip each other. Google, Twitter, & Facebook are proof that people don't like having to pay to use something if there's a free alternative. Plus it means having to have BCH which most people don't understand.
- loceng 6y agoWhat are the costs to operating something like this that requires adding to the Bitcoin blockchain? And who pays? What would costs look like if it had 1,000,000 new posts at current prices, etc?
- fxtentacle 6y ago"Run it against your Bitcoin Cash Node to process Memo transactions into a database." Since the protocol of this is based on inscribing transactions into the Bitcoin Cash blockchain, that means posting content will cost transaction fees. In this case, it seems the server operator is expected to pay for that. According to bitcoinfees.cash it's currently at $0.0025 per inscription.
- FreeTrade 6y agoYes, each action on the blockchain requires a small transaction fee but the fee is paid by the end user, not the server operator. There are advantages and disadvantages to this, but remember the old saying, 'if you're not paying for a product, you are the product.'
- sneak 6y agoThat old saying doesn't flip around to mean that any service you have to pay for is worth the cost. I personally don't want to use niche social networks, which is what any pay-to-play platform is, due to the barrier to entry.
- rorykoehler 6y agoIt's a feature not a bug. How many trolls will disappear if you have to pay to post? It brings other problems like economic disenfranchisement leading to social disenfranchisement for those less fortunate in the world but it is an interesting design experiment.
- sneak 6y agoMost of the people I wish to read or interact with on social networks will never use a system that requires an up front payment. To me (and, I assume, most people) it is most assuredly a bug.
- rorykoehler 6y ago
- pmlnr 6y agoWhy would anyone do a twitter clone that doesn't support activitypub or at least ostatus these days?
- Barrin92 6y agohow does this handle straight up illegal content? If someone uploads say, copyrighted material to the chain, who is voluntarily going to host an instance of this site?
- fxtentacle 6y agoIt doesn't. 1. There's already pages where people can inscribe random text and images into blockchains: https://cryptograffiti.info/ https://cryptograffiti.info/ 2. Researchers found that the Bitcoin blockchain already contains presumably illegal content: https://blockchain.comsys.rwth-aachen.de/ https://blockchain.comsys.rwth-aachen.de/ Excerpt from paper #2 on that page: "we consider the remaining three instances objectionable for almost all jurisdictions: Two of them are backups of link lists to child pornography, containing 274 links to websites, 142 of which refer to Tor hidden services. The remaining instance is an image depicting mild nudity of a young woman." As for who is hosting it ... even though illegal, blockchain mining is still very profitable if you have subsidized cheap electricity like in China.
- cheph 6y ago> As for who is hosting it ... even though illegal, blockchain mining is still very profitable if you have subsidized cheap electricity like in China. Please cite blockchain mining being illegal.
- severak_cz 6y agoname sounds super sketchy. Member cash? Sounds like you are making money from members.
- lubokkanev 6y agoIt's on the Bitcoin Cash blockchain, that's where the name comes from.
- pxtail 6y agoThis explains the name but the problem is that this name induces distrust and many additional questions even before visiting website: do they want to monetize me/my content? do I have to pay for it? etc. Unless intention is to have it limited to circle of people who already know what this "cash" is then I don't think it's a good idea - especially now when censorship, tracking and shady data collection practices are becoming mainstream topic.
- FreeTrade 6y agoAlso it's easy to run Member fully independently on a Windows desktop - download link (3.5GB) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:E1E4C04EFEA99A16A992FEF7F8E8F3C5964E865E It includes : A pruned, fully synced Bitcoin Cash Node (Bitcoin Unlimited v1.9.0.1) Member server, fully synced database Member client To run it, just unzip it, and run 'install.bat', it will install the node as a service and run the server in a window. To open the client, open 'client/index.html'. That's all. 100% sovereign social media, runs as long as Bitcoin Cash network stays up.
- cheph 6y agoWhat is the benefit of using a blockchain here? Why do you need distributed and decentralized consensus? I mean on the face of it this just makes no sense. What am I missing? EDIT: IMO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitmessage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitmessage was a far superior alternative to this.
- atweiden 6y agoMember.cash’s blockchain architecture completely eliminates the need for centralized hosting providers — at least for pure text short message data. It’s as impervious to censorship as the blockchain being used to directly store the short messages. This is really quite a sensible approach for member.cash as it looks to gain a footing as a safe harbor for censored conservative voices. Many are asking why not Mastodon. The “Member.cash” protocol could ship inside of a native desktop application which scans a general purpose blockchain already on your computer for embedded messages. Ideally this would be done with a thin client, so that nobody has to download terabytes of data.
- lovetocode 6y agoI love the concept but how do we protect against spammers? “Want to earn $1000 a month browsing the internet???”
- adnjoo 6y agopretty good but needs a better UI