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Using scare tactics to force someone to “choose sides” is not the hallmarks of a classical liberal philosophy. Please stop escalating things with hyperbole.

vmception 6y ago
a week ago I would agree with you. what would have to occur for you to change your mind about the current reality, if a militia aiming to restrain (or hang) the vice president while carrying confederate and foreign nation's flags and beating a police officer to death with the American flag didn't get that point across already? because they've been trying to coordinate a followup so I'm not sure what stage of grief you're at, but I'm way past stage 1
- garmaine 6y ago
  I wonder what you think my positions are, as I haven't voiced them yet. But you nevertheless feel certain I should change them. Be careful of projecting your own expectations onto other participants in a discussion.
  - vmception 6y ago
    Your position is that what I said is hyperbole. That's not projecting, that's a direct quote. Hyperbole means exaggeration for effect, which is not what I did at all, in my view. So what would be necessary to happen for your position to change - which you really did make abundantly clear that my reality and description of reality is hyperbole. What I said is completely intended to be taken literally. What [else] would need to happen for you to take what I said as the literal and most accurate way of describing reality?
    - garmaine 6y ago
      > But we are passed the point of objectivity in what may be the first battle in a civil war. A small crowd of extremist nut jobs walked from one end of the national mall to the other and pushed their way past an ill-equipped police squad to damage some property in the national capital, and assaulted one police officer enough that he would die of his wounds. This is a very bad thing. I hope that every single one of the people involved are caught, tried, and pay for their crimes. The desecration of the capital itself is shameful and sacrilegious, and that is not lost on me either. But "civil war"? Please research what an actual civil war is like. Watch some news coverage of Syria. The storming of the capital is an act of insurrection, legally speaking, and it should be prosecuted as such. But are you really suggesting that we are near the point of nation-wide violent armed uprising, pitting brother-against-brother in a conflict that will rip apart any semblance of society (in which I MUST choose sides!), and reduce our cities to cratered wastelands like has happened to Aleppo or Raqqa? I generously don't think that is what you literally mean. But then I don't know how else to interpret "the first battle in a civil war" except as exaggeration for effect, hyperbole. Please don't do that.
      - vmception 6y ago
        Third time asking, and try not to answer a question with a question this time > What [else] would need to happen for you to take what I said as the literal and most accurate way of describing reality?
        garmaine 6y ago
        I have no interest in pursing this further.
        vmception 6y ago
        Summary: Uses Trump Derangement Syndrome as an explanation, gaslights everyone about their political affiliation without specifically saying - not that we had any expectation or obligation for you to -, deflects, proselytizes, and then exits the conversation. That conversation flowchart alone makes it clear who the influences of that particular filter bubble are.

vmception 6y ago

a week ago I would agree with you. what would have to occur for you to change your mind about the current reality, if a militia aiming to restrain (or hang) the vice president while carrying confederate and foreign nation's flags and beating a police officer to death with the American flag didn't get that point across already? because they've been trying to coordinate a followup so I'm not sure what stage of grief you're at, but I'm way past stage 1

garmaine 6y ago
I wonder what you think my positions are, as I haven't voiced them yet. But you nevertheless feel certain I should change them. Be careful of projecting your own expectations onto other participants in a discussion.
- vmception 6y ago
  Your position is that what I said is hyperbole. That's not projecting, that's a direct quote. Hyperbole means exaggeration for effect, which is not what I did at all, in my view. So what would be necessary to happen for your position to change - which you really did make abundantly clear that my reality and description of reality is hyperbole. What I said is completely intended to be taken literally. What [else] would need to happen for you to take what I said as the literal and most accurate way of describing reality?
  - garmaine 6y ago
    > But we are passed the point of objectivity in what may be the first battle in a civil war. A small crowd of extremist nut jobs walked from one end of the national mall to the other and pushed their way past an ill-equipped police squad to damage some property in the national capital, and assaulted one police officer enough that he would die of his wounds. This is a very bad thing. I hope that every single one of the people involved are caught, tried, and pay for their crimes. The desecration of the capital itself is shameful and sacrilegious, and that is not lost on me either. But "civil war"? Please research what an actual civil war is like. Watch some news coverage of Syria. The storming of the capital is an act of insurrection, legally speaking, and it should be prosecuted as such. But are you really suggesting that we are near the point of nation-wide violent armed uprising, pitting brother-against-brother in a conflict that will rip apart any semblance of society (in which I MUST choose sides!), and reduce our cities to cratered wastelands like has happened to Aleppo or Raqqa? I generously don't think that is what you literally mean. But then I don't know how else to interpret "the first battle in a civil war" except as exaggeration for effect, hyperbole. Please don't do that.
    - vmception 6y ago
      Third time asking, and try not to answer a question with a question this time > What [else] would need to happen for you to take what I said as the literal and most accurate way of describing reality?
      - garmaine 6y ago
        I have no interest in pursing this further.
        vmception 6y ago
        Summary: Uses Trump Derangement Syndrome as an explanation, gaslights everyone about their political affiliation without specifically saying - not that we had any expectation or obligation for you to -, deflects, proselytizes, and then exits the conversation. That conversation flowchart alone makes it clear who the influences of that particular filter bubble are.