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Both sides have media working for them. Both are bias. https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-ratings https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-r
by camhart 6y ago
Both sides have media working for them. Both are bias.
https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-ratings https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-ratings
The issue is people only ever consuming one side.
- newacct00 6y agoNo, no, no. I literally made an account to comment on how wrong this is. Both sides are biased ignores the little matter of degree. One side is completely unmoored from reality in a way that the other simply isn’t. One side promotes conspiracy theories and lies from the top down. Both sides is a way to make yourself feel smart without critically examining on a deeper level what those biases are, how widely they’re consumed, and how seriously they’re taken.
- camhart 6y agoI'm 100% in favor of criticality examining on a deeper level. I'm confused about how you disagree with me or how my comment is wrong. I'm trying to encourage people to listen to both sides.
- ModernMech 6y agoI think what the above poster is reacting to is the distribution of news sources on this chart. It makes it seem like MSNBC and OAN are equal and opposite. I consume news from a great many of these sources. The only actual leftist news source I recognize on here is Jacobin. The New Yorker and MSNBC don't have a lot of content espousing the ideals of socialism and communism. Meanwhile, you'll be hard pressed to find any daylight between the news sources in the "Right" column and Trumpism.
- camhart 6y agoThey describe how they come to their ratings at https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-rating-methods https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-rating-method.... They also describe what it means to be "left" vs "lean left" vs "right" vs "lean right", etc. See https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/left https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/left and https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/right https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/right (there are also ones for lean l/r, and center). Now I'm sure these ratings aren't perfect, but I believe they're more accurate than most people's hunches.
- rodgerd 6y agoOn one hand, we have people wearing t-shirts promoting the Holocaust. On the other hand, we have people that don't. Clearly we need to listen to the Nazis and debate them in the marketplace of ideas. Is that somewhere in Narnia?
- throwaway89715 6y agoIt's clear the U.S. is totally Balkanized. The two sides are living in completely different realities. There can be no discussion between them when the claim is "My side is truthful and your side is full of lies." Anyone making the claim that his side is the side of truth and justice and the other side is the one of delusions and falsehoods is not looking for healing or reconciliation. He is in search of either total domination of the other side, or divorce, or worse. The question is: do you think your side will be able to totally dominate the other side? Is it possible to totally dominate 75 million Americans who view your domination as something evil to be opposed, possibly violently? It seems you're betting it is, and your side will pull it off. Though I wonder: what is this confidence based upon? Your side controls the institutions and the cities. What happens when the people outside the cities simply stop listening to what the cities and the institutions say? What happens when the media and academies and federal government can say whatever they like, but everyone outside the metropolises simply starts to ignore them and make their own rules? This is the real problem with Balkanization: once the dialogue breaks down, everything else starts to break down after it.
- jojobas 6y agoThis "reality" thing you're talking about is not singular. Easiest illustration is that Rittenhouse fellow, a brave-ish kid standing for himself in one reality and a cold-blooded murderer in another.
- 0xB31B1B 6y agoRittenhouse, an 17 year old, carried a weapon across state lines to engage in militia activities and shot someone. He was not defending his own house or business. He is a bad guy, and what he did was bad. In the modern world, the state has a monopoly on violence, no roving militias are legitimate uses of force.
- cbozeman 6y agoIf the Founding Fathers wanted the state to have the monopoly on violence, there wouldn't have been a Second Amendment.
- jojobas 6y agoIn the other reality, nothing you said waived his right to self defence. Law professors are also caught on both sides of this reality rift.
- kypro 6y agoAs far as I'm aware Rittenhouse was acting within his legal rights. Here is a really good summary from someone with two degress in criminal justice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfAz851P8p4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfAz851P8p4 The fact you used the "carried a weapon across state lines" line suggests that you may be consuming biased reports. It's not a crime to carry a weapoon across state lines. He also lived right on the state line and worked in Kenosha. It's not like he drove miles to shoot protestors in some city he has no affiliation to and portraying it like this is dishonest. He also probably acted within self-defense as is covered in this part of the video I shared: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=648&v=dfAz851P8p4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=648&v=dfAz851P8p4 For the record, I think what he did was reckless and dangerous, but the catalyst to this was the riots and looting. Right or wrong you'll find some people will react like this when they feel their neighbourhoods are under attack. You can't expect one group to be violent without some kind of push back from another. The same problem exists with antifa and BLM (not that these groups are a direct comparison). My point is these groups don't exist in a vaccum, they appear when they believe law enforcement and those in power are not doing a good enough job. You have to go a level deeper and ask why BLM protestors are on the street, and why are people are feeling the need to form militas in the first place? If you ignore the causes these events will continue to occur and likely escalate.
- Talanes 6y agoThe "Left" side of that chart is generously "Center" and less generously "Leans Right."
- camhart 6y agoBias measurements are relative to something. It could make sense for you to feel that way, because you and your social circles may generally be more left leaning. What is the definition of "center"? They describe how they come to a bias rating at https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-rating-methods https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-rating-method....