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> There were attempts to address their complaints. The complaints were not heard without first attempting to call to shame an entire group of 75mil people. An

> There were attempts to address their complaints. The complaints were not heard without first attempting to call to shame an entire group of 75mil people. And your second source can be read a different way: “find the votes that existed that you shred”, he’s not saying make up the votes, he’s saying find the ones he believes they fraudulently shred. Part of the divide in this country is taking something like this, twisting the words to make a sensational title that’s then thrown at every moderate or conservative. Think about how much this has happened over the last 4 years.

empthought 6y ago
People crying “fraud” were given ample opportunity to present evidence in court. They never did.
- tekknik 6y ago
  Re read that.
  - empthought 6y ago
    The only people being shamed post-election were those lying about the election results. Most of Trump’s voters were not in a position to lie about that. Trump and his circle of political enablers were, and this is the result. They should be shamed and continue to be shamed until and after legal actions against them are successful. PS this “75 million” phrasing is utter propaganda, let’s talk about 82 million people rejecting this dangerous president and him continuing to make a case that his re-election is somehow more legitimate than a Biden win.
    - tekknik 6y ago
      So you’re doing this right now. The entirety of Trumps voters were lying? Anytime we want voter reform it’s disenfranchisement right? The complaints still have not been heard. If the left keeps this up they will do nothing but push the divide more.
      - empthought 6y ago
        The complaints have been heard and dismissed for lack of evidence dozens of times in courtrooms across the country. The president and his lawyers making a claim without presenting evidence is not grounds for overturning an election, full stop. They’re the ones who are lying, fomenting insurrection, and deserve to be shamed. The people who believe them are unfortunate.
        linuxftw 6y ago
        Be more specific. There were many lawsuits dismissed for a variety of reasons. Pick one, and let's talk about that one.
        empthought 6y ago
        Let’s talk about any courtroom case that had any admitted evidence of fraud on the order of “thousands of votes” first.
        linuxftw 6y ago
        Edit: It seems an awful lot like parent hasn't reviewed any particular case, just using media talking points.
        empthought 6y ago
        Edit: it seems an awful like parent can’t concede that fraud was not even alleged in the majority of Trump cases, and in nearly every case where it was originally alleged, the Trump team dropped the case.
        tekknik 6y ago
        How about you focus instead on securing the roster and less about widespread fraud. The system is built to be anonymous so finding evidence is not possible. The problem instead is people being on the roster when they shouldn’t. I know of 2 cases of this, one of which was in my immediate. Both instances an individual received a ballot but should not have. One of the individuals was not even a US citizen, yet they were registered to vote. Dems didn’t want voter IDs, don’t want voter reform because of “disenfranchisement”.
Jochim 6y ago
> All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have,” Trump said. “Because we won the state.” How can this ever be read as "find the votes that existed that you shred"? Especially considering that he goes on to claim he won by "hundreds of thousands" of votes. Shouldn't he be interested in uncovering that massive fraud, therefore supporting his assertions that it actually happened? > Part of the divide in this country is taking something like this, twisting the words to make a sensational title that’s then thrown at every moderate or conservative. Think about how much this has happened over the last 4 years. Come on, Fox News has been doing this since the 90s. They literally posted an article suggesting their base drive their trucks into protestors[1]. > Here’s a compilation of liberal protesters getting pushed out of the way by cars and trucks,” wrote the article’s author. “Study the technique; it may prove useful in the next four years. Those poor, innocent, conservatives being attacked by the thugs in the mainstream liberal media. Note that Fox and Trump have pushed these people so far that even Fox has lost control of them, and are now branded "traitors" for anything other than tacit support of their worst behaviour. They were literally calling to hang their own Vice President just last week. [1] https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-quietly-deletes-article-cheering-plowing-through-protesters https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-quietly-deletes-artic...
- tekknik 6y ago
  > How can this ever be read as "find the votes that existed that you shred"? Especially considering that he goes on to claim he won by "hundreds of thousands" of votes. Shouldn't he be interested in uncovering that massive fraud, therefore supporting his assertions that it actually happened? Your unconscious bias against Trump is what is defining your interpretation of that exchange. A person not trying to find something wrong with everything he says will interpret it the way I did. Using your same logic, if he won by hundreds of thousands then why does 11,780 matter enough to commit a felony? > Come on, Fox News has been doing this since the 90s. They literally posted an article suggesting their base drive their trucks into protestors[1]. And many have moved on from Fox News as a result. But the same can't be said for the left and CNN. Further, your still not tending to the divide, just jumping onto the problem and saying "me too". > Those poor, innocent, conservatives being attacked by the thugs in the mainstream liberal media. Great job > Here’s a compilation of liberal protesters getting pushed out of the way by cars and trucks,” wrote the article’s author. “Study the technique; it may prove useful in the next four years. Isn't this promoting violence? Why was the author not banned from the world? > Note that Fox and Trump have pushed these people so far that even Fox has lost control of them, and are now branded "traitors" for anything other than tacit support of their worst behaviour. They were literally calling to hang their own Vice President just last week. Quit pointing fingers. You want to blame Fox (again with Fox) and ignore the yelling and screaming the left did over the last 4 years. You want to ignore the forced conversions (that have always historically failed). You want to ignore cancel culture. And again, the left wants to take statements and twist them to make some outlandish point. It's only going to divide us more.

empthought 6y ago

People crying “fraud” were given ample opportunity to present evidence in court. They never did.

tekknik 6y ago
Re read that.
- empthought 6y ago
  The only people being shamed post-election were those lying about the election results. Most of Trump’s voters were not in a position to lie about that. Trump and his circle of political enablers were, and this is the result. They should be shamed and continue to be shamed until and after legal actions against them are successful. PS this “75 million” phrasing is utter propaganda, let’s talk about 82 million people rejecting this dangerous president and him continuing to make a case that his re-election is somehow more legitimate than a Biden win.
  - tekknik 6y ago
    So you’re doing this right now. The entirety of Trumps voters were lying? Anytime we want voter reform it’s disenfranchisement right? The complaints still have not been heard. If the left keeps this up they will do nothing but push the divide more.
    - empthought 6y ago
      The complaints have been heard and dismissed for lack of evidence dozens of times in courtrooms across the country. The president and his lawyers making a claim without presenting evidence is not grounds for overturning an election, full stop. They’re the ones who are lying, fomenting insurrection, and deserve to be shamed. The people who believe them are unfortunate.
      - linuxftw 6y ago
        Be more specific. There were many lawsuits dismissed for a variety of reasons. Pick one, and let's talk about that one.
        empthought 6y ago
        Let’s talk about any courtroom case that had any admitted evidence of fraud on the order of “thousands of votes” first.
        linuxftw 6y ago
        Edit: It seems an awful lot like parent hasn't reviewed any particular case, just using media talking points.
        empthought 6y ago
        Edit: it seems an awful like parent can’t concede that fraud was not even alleged in the majority of Trump cases, and in nearly every case where it was originally alleged, the Trump team dropped the case.
        tekknik 6y ago
        How about you focus instead on securing the roster and less about widespread fraud. The system is built to be anonymous so finding evidence is not possible. The problem instead is people being on the roster when they shouldn’t. I know of 2 cases of this, one of which was in my immediate. Both instances an individual received a ballot but should not have. One of the individuals was not even a US citizen, yet they were registered to vote. Dems didn’t want voter IDs, don’t want voter reform because of “disenfranchisement”.

Jochim 6y ago

> All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have,” Trump said. “Because we won the state.” How can this ever be read as "find the votes that existed that you shred"? Especially considering that he goes on to claim he won by "hundreds of thousands" of votes. Shouldn't he be interested in uncovering that massive fraud, therefore supporting his assertions that it actually happened? > Part of the divide in this country is taking something like this, twisting the words to make a sensational title that’s then thrown at every moderate or conservative. Think about how much this has happened over the last 4 years. Come on, Fox News has been doing this since the 90s. They literally posted an article suggesting their base drive their trucks into protestors[1]. > Here’s a compilation of liberal protesters getting pushed out of the way by cars and trucks,” wrote the article’s author. “Study the technique; it may prove useful in the next four years. Those poor, innocent, conservatives being attacked by the thugs in the mainstream liberal media. Note that Fox and Trump have pushed these people so far that even Fox has lost control of them, and are now branded "traitors" for anything other than tacit support of their worst behaviour. They were literally calling to hang their own Vice President just last week. [1] https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-quietly-deletes-article-cheering-plowing-through-protesters https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-quietly-deletes-artic...

tekknik 6y ago
> How can this ever be read as "find the votes that existed that you shred"? Especially considering that he goes on to claim he won by "hundreds of thousands" of votes. Shouldn't he be interested in uncovering that massive fraud, therefore supporting his assertions that it actually happened? Your unconscious bias against Trump is what is defining your interpretation of that exchange. A person not trying to find something wrong with everything he says will interpret it the way I did. Using your same logic, if he won by hundreds of thousands then why does 11,780 matter enough to commit a felony? > Come on, Fox News has been doing this since the 90s. They literally posted an article suggesting their base drive their trucks into protestors[1]. And many have moved on from Fox News as a result. But the same can't be said for the left and CNN. Further, your still not tending to the divide, just jumping onto the problem and saying "me too". > Those poor, innocent, conservatives being attacked by the thugs in the mainstream liberal media. Great job > Here’s a compilation of liberal protesters getting pushed out of the way by cars and trucks,” wrote the article’s author. “Study the technique; it may prove useful in the next four years. Isn't this promoting violence? Why was the author not banned from the world? > Note that Fox and Trump have pushed these people so far that even Fox has lost control of them, and are now branded "traitors" for anything other than tacit support of their worst behaviour. They were literally calling to hang their own Vice President just last week. Quit pointing fingers. You want to blame Fox (again with Fox) and ignore the yelling and screaming the left did over the last 4 years. You want to ignore the forced conversions (that have always historically failed). You want to ignore cancel culture. And again, the left wants to take statements and twist them to make some outlandish point. It's only going to divide us more.