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Android is open, so we can just go in and remove that check... oh right.

by dsl 15y ago

kkowalczyk 15y ago
The openness of Android, the OS, has nothing to do with it. Google Movies service is just another application running on Android. If you had "Dsl Movies" application for Android (or iOS or Windows) you would have a right to protect your service from people trying to watch the movies for free or extract them from your service and post them on the internet. Why do you think that Google has no such right to protect their movie service? As to general snarkiness about openness of Android: please come back when you can download source code to iOS or WP7 or BlackBerry, compile it and then install on your device.
- AllenKids 15y ago
  Still waiting on Honeycomb. And point to me barebone OSS android without Google's proprietary magic dust's market share.
  - technomancy 15y ago
    > Still waiting on Honeycomb. How is that remotely related to the article?
    - AllenKids 15y ago
      It's very relevant to the comment I was replying to.
  - drivebyacct2 15y ago
    Um, go build AOSP? Build CM? Build Sapphire? There are several ways to build vanilla Android just fine. The only Google App on my phone is Market. How are people so incredibly uninformed about Android still?
    - drivebyacct2 15y ago
      AllenKids either hasn't used an Android phone in the past 18 months or is getting his information for really poor/biased/uninformed sources. Manually managing app/tasks in Android is a recipe for really poor performance and battery life. Anything after Eclair will handle app killing very appropriately. I've only had one app that needed killing and even then, I haven't had to kill it recently at all with CM7 running the show.
- SoftwareMaven 15y ago
  As to general snarkiness about openness of Android: please come back when you can download source code to iOS or WP7 or BlackBerry, compile it and then install on your device. While I agree the snarkiness doesn't help his point and in fact has no bearing on the argument at all, to say Google is OK to not release the source for their self-proclaimed, open system because other vendors have not released the source for their self-proclaimed, extremely closed systems is ludicrous.
  - cookiecaper 15y ago
    I think his point is that Google has released their source. As he pointed out, Google Movies is an application and it doesn't have to be open-source just because the Android OS is open-source. It's a completely independent piece of code. Anyway, this is much ado about nothing since I'm sure there will be a patched version out almost immediately.
    - gergles 15y ago
      Really? Please point me to the Honeycomb source for my Xoom.* * I don't actually own a Xoom, but that's not the point.
      - twinsnes 15y ago
        http://source.android.com/source/downloading.html http://source.android.com/source/downloading.html
        darklajid 15y ago
        You know that Honeycomb is not available (the whole point of the GP) and your 'eat this' link is totally not helpful? If you'd followed that you'd seen that you will end up with Gingerbread instead [1]. 1: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/dalvik.git;a=heads http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/dalvik.git;a=heads
        15y ago
- dsl 15y ago
  DRM and a truly open platform cannot co-exist. It is impossible. When you control a point in the stack, you control everything below it. A good example of this is VMware. My comment was a bit snarky, the but the point remains. I can't get my hands on the latest sources so I can add a fix to prevent applications from detecting rooted devices (a cat and mouse game for sure, but beside the point). My money would also be on Google shitting a very large brick and trying to find a subtile way to prevent my patch from working.
magicalist 15y ago
yes, just like with an open source browser you can remove password requirements on login pages... oh right. requiring some kind of credential, even if it's based on some bullshit notion of a "secured" system, is independent of the "openness" of the system. In fact, your post is the same kind of ambiguous use of the "open" in "open source" that continuously comes up in these conversations. just...stop it.
- ent 15y ago
  But drm is not similar to a password the client doesn't know. In drm the client has to know the password, it's the user that's being kept in the dark. If you have total access (source) to the drm system you can always modify it to report that the system is secure.

Android is open, so we can just go in and remove that check... oh right.

by dsl 15y ago

Android is open, so we can just go in and remove that check... oh right.

The openness of Android, the OS, has nothing to do with it. Google Movies service is just another application running on Android. If you had "Dsl Movies" application for Android (or iOS or Windows) you would have a right to protect your service from people trying to watch the movies for free or extract them from your service and post them on the internet. Why do you think that Google has no such right to protect their movie service? As to general snarkiness about openness of Android: please come back when you can download source code to iOS or WP7 or BlackBerry, compile it and then install on your device.

AllenKids 15y ago
Still waiting on Honeycomb. And point to me barebone OSS android without Google's proprietary magic dust's market share.
- technomancy 15y ago
  > Still waiting on Honeycomb. How is that remotely related to the article?
  - AllenKids 15y ago
    It's very relevant to the comment I was replying to.
- drivebyacct2 15y ago
  Um, go build AOSP? Build CM? Build Sapphire? There are several ways to build vanilla Android just fine. The only Google App on my phone is Market. How are people so incredibly uninformed about Android still?
  - drivebyacct2 15y ago
    AllenKids either hasn't used an Android phone in the past 18 months or is getting his information for really poor/biased/uninformed sources. Manually managing app/tasks in Android is a recipe for really poor performance and battery life. Anything after Eclair will handle app killing very appropriately. I've only had one app that needed killing and even then, I haven't had to kill it recently at all with CM7 running the show.
SoftwareMaven 15y ago
As to general snarkiness about openness of Android: please come back when you can download source code to iOS or WP7 or BlackBerry, compile it and then install on your device. While I agree the snarkiness doesn't help his point and in fact has no bearing on the argument at all, to say Google is OK to not release the source for their self-proclaimed, open system because other vendors have not released the source for their self-proclaimed, extremely closed systems is ludicrous.
- cookiecaper 15y ago
  I think his point is that Google has released their source. As he pointed out, Google Movies is an application and it doesn't have to be open-source just because the Android OS is open-source. It's a completely independent piece of code. Anyway, this is much ado about nothing since I'm sure there will be a patched version out almost immediately.
  - gergles 15y ago
    Really? Please point me to the Honeycomb source for my Xoom.* * I don't actually own a Xoom, but that's not the point.
    - twinsnes 15y ago
      http://source.android.com/source/downloading.html http://source.android.com/source/downloading.html
      - darklajid 15y ago
        You know that Honeycomb is not available (the whole point of the GP) and your 'eat this' link is totally not helpful? If you'd followed that you'd seen that you will end up with Gingerbread instead [1]. 1: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/dalvik.git;a=heads http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/dalvik.git;a=heads
        15y ago
dsl 15y ago
DRM and a truly open platform cannot co-exist. It is impossible. When you control a point in the stack, you control everything below it. A good example of this is VMware. My comment was a bit snarky, the but the point remains. I can't get my hands on the latest sources so I can add a fix to prevent applications from detecting rooted devices (a cat and mouse game for sure, but beside the point). My money would also be on Google shitting a very large brick and trying to find a subtile way to prevent my patch from working.

magicalist 15y ago

yes, just like with an open source browser you can remove password requirements on login pages... oh right. requiring some kind of credential, even if it's based on some bullshit notion of a "secured" system, is independent of the "openness" of the system. In fact, your post is the same kind of ambiguous use of the "open" in "open source" that continuously comes up in these conversations. just...stop it.

ent 15y ago
But drm is not similar to a password the client doesn't know. In drm the client has to know the password, it's the user that's being kept in the dark. If you have total access (source) to the drm system you can always modify it to report that the system is secure.