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If you truly believe that DC was BURNING, then I think you have fallen prey to those lies.

o-__-o 6y ago
If you truly think a mass of armed people stormed the capitol then you too have fallen prey to lies. What I’m saying is both actions didn’t end with a good look and they both should be condemned Edit: I seemed to have touched a nerve. I was rewatching video from people storming the capitol. They were not armed and they were all milling about without a plan. Even the lady that was shot was unarmed Edit2: I think we are being hoodwinked. We saw lots of angry people storming the capitol out of frustration, provoked by false information fed to them. I don’t think the disinformation campaign stopped at the rally, I think it is continuing now. Everyone is being led to believe that the folks who walked in were acting the same as the Michigan capitol protest earlier last year. It was not like that. It was a bunch of people thinking they were going to make a difference and ended up not having a clue of what they were going to do. The orderly exit of most leaving the capitol building is proof of this. I just ask before you rage downvote to pause and think is this the division they (those making the narrative of DC burning vs Capitol Siege) are trying to sow? Both actions are heinous and doesn’t look good for America regardless of how you try to spin it.
- AaronFriel 6y ago
  I watched armed people storm the capitol with my eyes, as did many millions of Americans glued to their TVs and monitors that day.
  - o-__-o 6y ago
    Give me a time stamp. I JUST rewatched the livestream as people streamed in, it’s for a project I am working on. I did not see anyone armed. Maybe some were armed but it was not clear and irrefutable. Edit: https://youtu.be/OiaWd5gVDvg https://youtu.be/OiaWd5gVDvg
    - AaronFriel 6y ago
      Just one example. https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1347011413101998080?s=19 https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1347011413101998080?s=1...
      - o-__-o 6y ago
        One. And you saw this guy on the tv and monitor you were glued to? Or you didn’t see this until after the fact.. on Twitter? Further, staying inline with the thread.. This is how we define “mass armed people storming the capitol”? Contrast to the three blazes that were going on around dc in may. Did those controlled fires mean dc was burning down? I am challenging the narrative. Dc was not burning in may just the same as a large mob of ARMED people didn’t storm the capitol...
        viraptor 6y ago
        > Give me a time stamp [...] I did not see anyone armed. > One. One example is what you asked for. It's not commenting in good faith if you move goalposts like that.
        o-__-o 6y ago
        What? He said he watched them storm in and instead he provides something he saw after the fact. Look, I am currently combing all of the video from the event for faces in a bid to help identify people who were in the capitol. That guy was NOT on any live stream. This the original claim of “saw it from being glued to the TVs and monitors” is a false one and I challenged op to find an example in the stream that he watched. Instead he provided a photo op from Twitter. You yourself even cut off the part where i set the goal posts. Regardless when I release my project this week you will see that no one was “clearly armed” as they walked through those doors. This was a travesty, but it is IMHO just one big false narrative like DC burning in May (the original goal post I replied to)
        viraptor 6y ago
- wilsynet 6y ago
  There’s still stuff coming out about this. 1) Bombs were left during the invasion. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-50k-reward-pipe-bombs-capitol-riots-rnc-dnc/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-50k-reward-pipe-bombs-capit... 2) Weapons were recovered. https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/13-arrested-5-weapons-recovered-at-u-s-capitol-riot/ https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/13-arrested-5-weapons-reco... That’s weapons recovered. How many more were carrying?
  - o-__-o 6y ago
    So because some people at the entire rally were armed means everyone storming the capitol was also armed? I’ve heard that very same bad statistics argument used as to why trump lost the election. Causation != correlation. I did not see any overt firearms or weapons on the people storming the capitol building. It will be hard, because it goes against your beliefs.. but I challenge you to find those armed people in the various live streams that captured the event.
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    - wilsynet 6y ago
      I don’t have any beliefs about this. A violent mob invaded the capital. Some of them carried weapons. I’m not claiming they were all armed or that they were filmed using the weapons. Although they certainly did attack police officers. With flag poles, ladders, fire extinguishers, pepper spray. I’ll leave it there.
      - o-__-o 6y ago
        There were three separate bonfires in DC in May. In that case, DC was also burning back then from angry mobs of protesters. My point is the narrative. Take a step back and observe and claim the wrong done by both parties instead of saying one is right and one is wrong.
        6y ago
- TheGRS 6y ago
  Whoa are you arguing that armed people DIDN'T storm the capitol? They were indeed armed and yes it was televised. Your inability to see what's in front of you willingly doesn't cause rest of us to be blind.
  - xenoph0n 6y ago
    Almost no one involved was armed you utter shill. I guess BLM protests were "violent protests" because some of the people there were violent?
    - the_only_law 6y ago
      > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

If you truly think a mass of armed people stormed the capitol then you too have fallen prey to lies. What I’m saying is both actions didn’t end with a good look and they both should be condemned Edit: I seemed to have touched a nerve. I was rewatching video from people storming the capitol. They were not armed and they were all milling about without a plan. Even the lady that was shot was unarmed Edit2: I think we are being hoodwinked. We saw lots of angry people storming the capitol out of frustration, provoked by false information fed to them. I don’t think the disinformation campaign stopped at the rally, I think it is continuing now. Everyone is being led to believe that the folks who walked in were acting the same as the Michigan capitol protest earlier last year. It was not like that. It was a bunch of people thinking they were going to make a difference and ended up not having a clue of what they were going to do. The orderly exit of most leaving the capitol building is proof of this. I just ask before you rage downvote to pause and think is this the division they (those making the narrative of DC burning vs Capitol Siege) are trying to sow? Both actions are heinous and doesn’t look good for America regardless of how you try to spin it.

AaronFriel 6y ago
I watched armed people storm the capitol with my eyes, as did many millions of Americans glued to their TVs and monitors that day.
- o-__-o 6y ago
  Give me a time stamp. I JUST rewatched the livestream as people streamed in, it’s for a project I am working on. I did not see anyone armed. Maybe some were armed but it was not clear and irrefutable. Edit: https://youtu.be/OiaWd5gVDvg https://youtu.be/OiaWd5gVDvg
  - AaronFriel 6y ago
    Just one example. https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1347011413101998080?s=19 https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1347011413101998080?s=1...
    - o-__-o 6y ago
      One. And you saw this guy on the tv and monitor you were glued to? Or you didn’t see this until after the fact.. on Twitter? Further, staying inline with the thread.. This is how we define “mass armed people storming the capitol”? Contrast to the three blazes that were going on around dc in may. Did those controlled fires mean dc was burning down? I am challenging the narrative. Dc was not burning in may just the same as a large mob of ARMED people didn’t storm the capitol...
      - viraptor 6y ago
        > Give me a time stamp [...] I did not see anyone armed. > One. One example is what you asked for. It's not commenting in good faith if you move goalposts like that.
        o-__-o 6y ago
        What? He said he watched them storm in and instead he provides something he saw after the fact. Look, I am currently combing all of the video from the event for faces in a bid to help identify people who were in the capitol. That guy was NOT on any live stream. This the original claim of “saw it from being glued to the TVs and monitors” is a false one and I challenged op to find an example in the stream that he watched. Instead he provided a photo op from Twitter. You yourself even cut off the part where i set the goal posts. Regardless when I release my project this week you will see that no one was “clearly armed” as they walked through those doors. This was a travesty, but it is IMHO just one big false narrative like DC burning in May (the original goal post I replied to)
        viraptor 6y ago
wilsynet 6y ago
There’s still stuff coming out about this. 1) Bombs were left during the invasion. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-50k-reward-pipe-bombs-capitol-riots-rnc-dnc/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-50k-reward-pipe-bombs-capit... 2) Weapons were recovered. https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/13-arrested-5-weapons-recovered-at-u-s-capitol-riot/ https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/13-arrested-5-weapons-reco... That’s weapons recovered. How many more were carrying?
- o-__-o 6y ago
  So because some people at the entire rally were armed means everyone storming the capitol was also armed? I’ve heard that very same bad statistics argument used as to why trump lost the election. Causation != correlation. I did not see any overt firearms or weapons on the people storming the capitol building. It will be hard, because it goes against your beliefs.. but I challenge you to find those armed people in the various live streams that captured the event.
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  - wilsynet 6y ago
    I don’t have any beliefs about this. A violent mob invaded the capital. Some of them carried weapons. I’m not claiming they were all armed or that they were filmed using the weapons. Although they certainly did attack police officers. With flag poles, ladders, fire extinguishers, pepper spray. I’ll leave it there.
    - o-__-o 6y ago
      There were three separate bonfires in DC in May. In that case, DC was also burning back then from angry mobs of protesters. My point is the narrative. Take a step back and observe and claim the wrong done by both parties instead of saying one is right and one is wrong.
      - 6y ago
TheGRS 6y ago
Whoa are you arguing that armed people DIDN'T storm the capitol? They were indeed armed and yes it was televised. Your inability to see what's in front of you willingly doesn't cause rest of us to be blind.
- xenoph0n 6y ago
  Almost no one involved was armed you utter shill. I guess BLM protests were "violent protests" because some of the people there were violent?
  - the_only_law 6y ago
    > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html