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I had a nurse at a hospital tell me not to take it because “you can’t trust that stuff”. Weird time to be alive.

devwastaken 6y ago
Nursing has a sizeable crowd of mid level marketing, "alternative medicine" and other such frauds. Doctors of course do too because it can be big money to have your doctorate attached to it. We need to remove these people from operating in public care but unions and friends don't currently care.
- Jkvngt 6y ago
  No offense but this is a pretty creepy comment. And who's this "we" anyway?
  - Shared404 6y ago
    > who's this "we" anyway? Anyone who doesn't want their healthcare provided by people who believe such things? Or am I missing something?
  - olliej 6y ago
    The various certification organizations. You shouldn't be able to be certified as a nurse, doctor, RN, PA, etc if you don't understand basic medical science.
phobosanomaly 6y ago
I don't think nurses have much (any) training in biotech. An MD might have a 4-year undergrad in biochemistry or molecular biology or something, an internship at a biotech company or time in a research lab, they might be on one or two wetlab publications, they have another 4 years of medical training with lab experience for the MD, and another 3 or more years in residency training. I believe most nurses have only an associates (2-year), or a 4-year undergrad degree with zero lab experience, zero biotech industry experience, and zero research-focused biochemistry/molecular biology/immunology training. They're not out there running ELISAs, Western Blots, minipreps and passaging cell cultures. So they may not understand how the vaccine technology works at a particularly higher level than the general public. Not a slight against nurses, of course, they do incredibly valuable work. But, upon hearing about a novel mRNA-based vaccine technology, they may be less likely than, say, an MD or a biomedical PhD to go 'that's a pretty cool application of a technology I understand pretty well." Same thing with cops, fire, paramedics etc. They didn't exactly spend a decade in school to learn all about the magic of B cells and epitopes. So, they might be a little suspicious of something they're not exactly trained to understand, and seemingly not particularly curious about. Not really their fault I guess, it's just way outside of their wheelhouse. In this particular situation, however, that becomes a bit of a problem since the public isn't necessarily able to contextualize their opinion on something, and may miss the fact that they may have zero clue what they're talking about. Agreed. Weird time to be alive indeed.
timbo1642 6y ago
Its always funny when people act like others are crazy when they are uneducated and don't understand why they said that. The vaccines were rushed through the approval and there was an intense amount of pressure on the FDA to approve just about anything. There is nothing wrong with vaccines that are safe, but we aren't sure this one is safe. It takes many years to find out if some drug is safe. So the nurse was right, you are completely wrong to make fun of her because you're the one that doesn't understand why its important to wait.

Nursing has a sizeable crowd of mid level marketing, "alternative medicine" and other such frauds. Doctors of course do too because it can be big money to have your doctorate attached to it. We need to remove these people from operating in public care but unions and friends don't currently care.

Jkvngt 6y ago
No offense but this is a pretty creepy comment. And who's this "we" anyway?
- Shared404 6y ago
  > who's this "we" anyway? Anyone who doesn't want their healthcare provided by people who believe such things? Or am I missing something?
- olliej 6y ago
  The various certification organizations. You shouldn't be able to be certified as a nurse, doctor, RN, PA, etc if you don't understand basic medical science.

phobosanomaly 6y ago

I don't think nurses have much (any) training in biotech. An MD might have a 4-year undergrad in biochemistry or molecular biology or something, an internship at a biotech company or time in a research lab, they might be on one or two wetlab publications, they have another 4 years of medical training with lab experience for the MD, and another 3 or more years in residency training. I believe most nurses have only an associates (2-year), or a 4-year undergrad degree with zero lab experience, zero biotech industry experience, and zero research-focused biochemistry/molecular biology/immunology training. They're not out there running ELISAs, Western Blots, minipreps and passaging cell cultures. So they may not understand how the vaccine technology works at a particularly higher level than the general public. Not a slight against nurses, of course, they do incredibly valuable work. But, upon hearing about a novel mRNA-based vaccine technology, they may be less likely than, say, an MD or a biomedical PhD to go 'that's a pretty cool application of a technology I understand pretty well." Same thing with cops, fire, paramedics etc. They didn't exactly spend a decade in school to learn all about the magic of B cells and epitopes. So, they might be a little suspicious of something they're not exactly trained to understand, and seemingly not particularly curious about. Not really their fault I guess, it's just way outside of their wheelhouse. In this particular situation, however, that becomes a bit of a problem since the public isn't necessarily able to contextualize their opinion on something, and may miss the fact that they may have zero clue what they're talking about. Agreed. Weird time to be alive indeed.

timbo1642 6y ago

Its always funny when people act like others are crazy when they are uneducated and don't understand why they said that. The vaccines were rushed through the approval and there was an intense amount of pressure on the FDA to approve just about anything. There is nothing wrong with vaccines that are safe, but we aren't sure this one is safe. It takes many years to find out if some drug is safe. So the nurse was right, you are completely wrong to make fun of her because you're the one that doesn't understand why its important to wait.