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> Trump derangement syndrome. Anything he touches must automatically be reversed. I think this is mostly a figment of the right’s imagination. Dems were all in

> Trump derangement syndrome. Anything he touches must automatically be reversed. I think this is mostly a figment of the right’s imagination. Dems were all in on those $2k stimulus checks and China-bashing seems to have broad support. Trump leaning on other NATO members to pay more (although not the way he went about it) is largely seen as a win. Trump is an aberration and Trumpism needs to die a death, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

COGlory 6y ago
I definitely don't agree with this. The vibe I've gotten from following center-left journalism is that the alignment against Trump has come at a heavy cost to traditional liberal values when it so happens Trump touts them (whether he is intentionally or not is a different matter). Some things that come to mind are Glenn Greenwald's writings re: the left's fascination with the Russia conspiracy, and Matt Taibbi's writings on Russia as well as some other social issues of late. Particularly (and probably because this is the overlap where Trump is the most "liberal"), the left seems to have seriously backed off their non-interventionist foreign policy desires as a direct result of Trump.
- mhh__ 6y ago
  > the left's fascination with the Russia conspiracy The idea that there is nothing there at all is a conspiracy in itself (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_investigation_origins_counter-narrative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_investigation_origins_c... it even has its own Wikipedia page) Some leftists are wrong about what it actually entails, but the three letter agencies are mainly populated by republicans, and they are the ones (and the senate Intel committee IIRC) establishing the Russia chronology. Also, Glenn Greenwald is absolutely obsessed with the Russia thing to the point that he could reasonably be considered more in line with the right than the left on this. "We have the greatest respect for the journalist Glenn Greenwald used to be, and we remain proud of much of the work we did with him over the past six years. It is Glenn who has strayed from his original journalistic roots, not The Intercept." etc. etc.

COGlory 6y ago

I definitely don't agree with this. The vibe I've gotten from following center-left journalism is that the alignment against Trump has come at a heavy cost to traditional liberal values when it so happens Trump touts them (whether he is intentionally or not is a different matter). Some things that come to mind are Glenn Greenwald's writings re: the left's fascination with the Russia conspiracy, and Matt Taibbi's writings on Russia as well as some other social issues of late. Particularly (and probably because this is the overlap where Trump is the most "liberal"), the left seems to have seriously backed off their non-interventionist foreign policy desires as a direct result of Trump.

mhh__ 6y ago
> the left's fascination with the Russia conspiracy The idea that there is nothing there at all is a conspiracy in itself (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_investigation_origins_counter-narrative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_investigation_origins_c... it even has its own Wikipedia page) Some leftists are wrong about what it actually entails, but the three letter agencies are mainly populated by republicans, and they are the ones (and the senate Intel committee IIRC) establishing the Russia chronology. Also, Glenn Greenwald is absolutely obsessed with the Russia thing to the point that he could reasonably be considered more in line with the right than the left on this. "We have the greatest respect for the journalist Glenn Greenwald used to be, and we remain proud of much of the work we did with him over the past six years. It is Glenn who has strayed from his original journalistic roots, not The Intercept." etc. etc.