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I hope these are things which remain in place when Biden gets in, and aren't bargaining chips for low hanging fruit.

ksd482 6y ago
I hope the same.
mhh__ 6y ago
> I hope these are things which remain in place when Biden gets in, I don't really see why they wouldn't be, where is the pro-china coalition in politics at the moment? On top of that, the idea that because Biden didn't go around saying "China!" in an amusing fashion doesn't mean he's best buddies with Xi Jinping.
- lettergram 6y ago
  You must not have seen the active investigations into the Biden family... for securities fraud. They took money directly from the Chinese (billions to start a company and millions in a “forgivable, interest free loan”) Attorney general of Delaware: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/12/10/what-is-known-about-the-hunter-biden-investigation https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/12/10/what-is-known-abou... Family business associate: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v4NcaxJifxY&feature=youtu.be https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v4NcaxJifxY&feature=youtu.be Senate report: https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Report_FINAL.pdf https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Rep...
  - epmaybe 6y ago
    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-06-26/everything-everywhere-is-securities-fraud https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-06-26/everyt...
  - mhh__ 6y ago
    [Citation needed]? edit: you have provided a citation now - Tucker Carlson..., but is that it? So there's no evidence of any services being rendered, or anything even close to a smoking gun other than proof that Beau was the better Biden?
  - mhh__ 6y ago
    > Senate report: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hunter+biden+laptop+senate+report& https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hunter+biden+laptop+senate+report&... Top result for me https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/09/28/hunter-biden-senate-report/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/09/28/hunter-biden-senate-r... Very loudly states The report presents no evidence of wrongdoing by Joe Biden, and omits testimony that exculpates him
    - lettergram 6y ago
      Apologies trying to add citations. You can actually find an archive dump of the laptop on the internet yourself (there’s emails, photos, etc). I linked to the actual full senate report. See below: https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Report_FINAL.pdf https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Rep... Most of the videos about this have been scrubbed / are not searchable on Google or YouTube. DuckDuckGo will let you search some stuff. The laptop doesn’t directly link Joe Biden. However, Joe Biden did use airforce two to fly himself and son to China. Shortly after Hunter closed a deal with China. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/29/secret-service-provided-hunter-biden-protection-on-more-than-400-flights/ https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/29/secret-service... Joe Biden’s brother James is also under investigation. Brother: https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/22/while-the-spotlight-shines-on-hunter-biden-james-biden-is-also-under-investigation/ https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/22/while-the-spotlight-shi...
      - seppin 6y ago
        Aren't you tired of this?
    - redis_mlc 6y ago
      There's a loophole in US law that a family member can receive bribes, in this case $1 billion from the CCP and Ukraine, which is what Hunter did while Joe was VP. However, obviously corruption is corruption. Hunter has no useful skills, so what possible reason would the CCP even talk to him, let alone give him $1 billion, aside from influencing Joe?
      - 6y ago
- garmaine 6y ago
  Trunk derangement syndrome. Anything he touches must automatically be reversed.
  - garmaine 6y ago
    Hrm, I can’t seem to edit this for some reason. I’m not being conspiratorial, although upon rereading I could see someone make that assumption. What I mean is that Trump is so hated that reversing his policies score political wins, regardless of the actual policy—much like how Obama was treated by the radical right. Trump has taken a harder line than previous presidents on China, although to be sure he has done a shit job of it if he actually wanted to stress the CCP. Any liberal politician can expect sweet lobbying on behalf of China-friendly interests, and score political points by reversing Trump’s China policies. Win-win for anyone that doesn’t actually care about the freedoms of the Chinese people. Similar things can be said about other Trump policies that are actually good, like the NASA Artemis project and Space Force. Expect them to get severely defunded under a Biden administration, even though they are actually good bipartisan policies prior to Trump. I’m NOT a trump supporter. But I evaluate his and any other politician’s policies on a case by case basis. I hope that Biden does the same, but I’m not naïve enough to expect it.
    - vmception 6y ago
      There is an objective view to be had about the accuracy of criticisms of any particular political party, because some of them do have some element of truth. But we are passed the point of objectivity in what may be the first battle in a civil war. There were casualties and there are plots of a second attack. So at this point you just have to choose sides and consider that your ability to retain support amongst your peers means not using the phrases that "the other side" created. The disclaimers about your affiliations won't help. I'm just the messenger.
      - garmaine 6y ago
        Using scare tactics to force someone to “choose sides” is not the hallmarks of a classical liberal philosophy. Please stop escalating things with hyperbole.
- fat_pikachu 6y ago
  They wouldn't be rushing out these executive orders now if there was any faith the Biden administration would implement them given the chance.
  - mhh__ 6y ago
    Are they being rushed out? What is the play with Biden and China? It makes no sense to any part of his base, and it just reeks of koolaid-drinking.
    - fat_pikachu 6y ago
      Do you think we'd see a flurry of executive action this month on China policy in the alternate universe where Trump has a second term. > What is the play with Biden and China? There's nothing underhanded going on between Biden and China, at least not in my mind. But Biden campaigned on returning to the status quo, meaning little action on China. They're implementing these EOs now because they think he won't undo them, but he won't pass them either if given the choice.
  - bostonsre 6y ago
    I kind of think it might be a good thing that they are rushing them out. It allows Biden to appear more moderate and it gives him more bargaining power to work with after the transition. Appeasement hasn't worked. I would be terrified to be a citizen in a country anywhere near China right now, countries in the region are slowly getting muscled and beaten back. I feel horrible for Hong Kong and Taiwan is next unless we can back them up. Hopefully a little good comes out of the cluster f of drama in the Whitehouse.
- free_rms 6y ago
  There's a very large pro-money coalition in politics at all moments. People who stand to make money off of business with China will always win against people who don't stand to lose money by curtailing it. It's a matter of commitment.
rasengan 6y ago
Biden and his son have very strong, secretive relations with China.
- brown9-2 6y ago
  so secretive that random message board commenters know about them?
  - mhh__ 6y ago
    There's [insert conspiracy], (usually) even the President doesn't know, but I've figured it out!
- 737min 6y ago
  That claim has very little evidence. And the imcoming administration has been very clear om China being the #1 adversary already.
  - dionian 6y ago
    why would fbi be investigating if no evidence?
    - elefanten 6y ago
      Because of the "I" in the acronym. It's their job.
      - dang 6y ago
        It looks like you've been using HN primarily for political battle. Can you please not do that? It's against the rules (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) and it's the line across which we start banning accounts (https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...), regardless of which politics they're battling for. This is because it destroys what HN is supposed to exist for, which is curious conversation on a wide range of topics.

I hope the same.

> I hope these are things which remain in place when Biden gets in, I don't really see why they wouldn't be, where is the pro-china coalition in politics at the moment? On top of that, the idea that because Biden didn't go around saying "China!" in an amusing fashion doesn't mean he's best buddies with Xi Jinping.

lettergram 6y ago
You must not have seen the active investigations into the Biden family... for securities fraud. They took money directly from the Chinese (billions to start a company and millions in a “forgivable, interest free loan”) Attorney general of Delaware: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/12/10/what-is-known-about-the-hunter-biden-investigation https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/12/10/what-is-known-abou... Family business associate: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v4NcaxJifxY&feature=youtu.be https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v4NcaxJifxY&feature=youtu.be Senate report: https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Report_FINAL.pdf https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Rep...
- epmaybe 6y ago
  https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-06-26/everything-everywhere-is-securities-fraud https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-06-26/everyt...
- mhh__ 6y ago
  [Citation needed]? edit: you have provided a citation now - Tucker Carlson..., but is that it? So there's no evidence of any services being rendered, or anything even close to a smoking gun other than proof that Beau was the better Biden?
- mhh__ 6y ago
  > Senate report: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hunter+biden+laptop+senate+report& https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hunter+biden+laptop+senate+report&... Top result for me https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/09/28/hunter-biden-senate-report/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/09/28/hunter-biden-senate-r... Very loudly states The report presents no evidence of wrongdoing by Joe Biden, and omits testimony that exculpates him
  - lettergram 6y ago
    Apologies trying to add citations. You can actually find an archive dump of the laptop on the internet yourself (there’s emails, photos, etc). I linked to the actual full senate report. See below: https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Report_FINAL.pdf https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Rep... Most of the videos about this have been scrubbed / are not searchable on Google or YouTube. DuckDuckGo will let you search some stuff. The laptop doesn’t directly link Joe Biden. However, Joe Biden did use airforce two to fly himself and son to China. Shortly after Hunter closed a deal with China. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/29/secret-service-provided-hunter-biden-protection-on-more-than-400-flights/ https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/29/secret-service... Joe Biden’s brother James is also under investigation. Brother: https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/22/while-the-spotlight-shines-on-hunter-biden-james-biden-is-also-under-investigation/ https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/22/while-the-spotlight-shi...
    - seppin 6y ago
      Aren't you tired of this?
  - redis_mlc 6y ago
    There's a loophole in US law that a family member can receive bribes, in this case $1 billion from the CCP and Ukraine, which is what Hunter did while Joe was VP. However, obviously corruption is corruption. Hunter has no useful skills, so what possible reason would the CCP even talk to him, let alone give him $1 billion, aside from influencing Joe?
    - 6y ago
garmaine 6y ago
Trunk derangement syndrome. Anything he touches must automatically be reversed.
- garmaine 6y ago
  Hrm, I can’t seem to edit this for some reason. I’m not being conspiratorial, although upon rereading I could see someone make that assumption. What I mean is that Trump is so hated that reversing his policies score political wins, regardless of the actual policy—much like how Obama was treated by the radical right. Trump has taken a harder line than previous presidents on China, although to be sure he has done a shit job of it if he actually wanted to stress the CCP. Any liberal politician can expect sweet lobbying on behalf of China-friendly interests, and score political points by reversing Trump’s China policies. Win-win for anyone that doesn’t actually care about the freedoms of the Chinese people. Similar things can be said about other Trump policies that are actually good, like the NASA Artemis project and Space Force. Expect them to get severely defunded under a Biden administration, even though they are actually good bipartisan policies prior to Trump. I’m NOT a trump supporter. But I evaluate his and any other politician’s policies on a case by case basis. I hope that Biden does the same, but I’m not naïve enough to expect it.
  - vmception 6y ago
    There is an objective view to be had about the accuracy of criticisms of any particular political party, because some of them do have some element of truth. But we are passed the point of objectivity in what may be the first battle in a civil war. There were casualties and there are plots of a second attack. So at this point you just have to choose sides and consider that your ability to retain support amongst your peers means not using the phrases that "the other side" created. The disclaimers about your affiliations won't help. I'm just the messenger.
    - garmaine 6y ago
      Using scare tactics to force someone to “choose sides” is not the hallmarks of a classical liberal philosophy. Please stop escalating things with hyperbole.
fat_pikachu 6y ago
They wouldn't be rushing out these executive orders now if there was any faith the Biden administration would implement them given the chance.
- mhh__ 6y ago
  Are they being rushed out? What is the play with Biden and China? It makes no sense to any part of his base, and it just reeks of koolaid-drinking.
  - fat_pikachu 6y ago
    Do you think we'd see a flurry of executive action this month on China policy in the alternate universe where Trump has a second term. > What is the play with Biden and China? There's nothing underhanded going on between Biden and China, at least not in my mind. But Biden campaigned on returning to the status quo, meaning little action on China. They're implementing these EOs now because they think he won't undo them, but he won't pass them either if given the choice.
- bostonsre 6y ago
  I kind of think it might be a good thing that they are rushing them out. It allows Biden to appear more moderate and it gives him more bargaining power to work with after the transition. Appeasement hasn't worked. I would be terrified to be a citizen in a country anywhere near China right now, countries in the region are slowly getting muscled and beaten back. I feel horrible for Hong Kong and Taiwan is next unless we can back them up. Hopefully a little good comes out of the cluster f of drama in the Whitehouse.
free_rms 6y ago
There's a very large pro-money coalition in politics at all moments. People who stand to make money off of business with China will always win against people who don't stand to lose money by curtailing it. It's a matter of commitment.

rasengan 6y ago

Biden and his son have very strong, secretive relations with China.

brown9-2 6y ago
so secretive that random message board commenters know about them?
- mhh__ 6y ago
  There's [insert conspiracy], (usually) even the President doesn't know, but I've figured it out!
737min 6y ago
That claim has very little evidence. And the imcoming administration has been very clear om China being the #1 adversary already.
- dionian 6y ago
  why would fbi be investigating if no evidence?
  - elefanten 6y ago
    Because of the "I" in the acronym. It's their job.
    - dang 6y ago
      It looks like you've been using HN primarily for political battle. Can you please not do that? It's against the rules (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) and it's the line across which we start banning accounts (https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...), regardless of which politics they're battling for. This is because it destroys what HN is supposed to exist for, which is curious conversation on a wide range of topics.