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Yes some were violent. Yes those who were violent should be arrested, investigated, etc. But I'd argue half the country doesn't agree that the mobs intent was

Yes some were violent. Yes those who were violent should be arrested, investigated, etc. But I'd argue half the country doesn't agree that the mobs intent was on killing members of congress. And that's the issue. You view it from that perspective, and from that perspective it makes sense to ban everything. But half the country (likely) doesn't agree with that perspective. I remember seeing bloody heads of Trump on twitter. That certainly seems a lot more like inciting violence than Trump saying to head down the street. As violence started to break out Trump tweeted that they should remain peaceful. Followed up by a video saying go home in peace. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/6568305002 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/6568305002

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Trasmatta 6y ago
Huh? You're really trying to compare what some randos do on Twitter to what the President of the United States did on Wednesday? Really think about it: the President of the United States incited a mob to attack the Capitol to prevent the certification of the vote of his political opponent. He did this by pushing constant lies and propaganda for months, and urging his followers to "fight" for him. Go watch his speech and then try to tell me he didn't know exactly what he was doing. > Trump saying to head down the street I'm honestly flabbergasted that you can see the culmination of Trump's actions from the past year (or however long he's claimed the election would be rigged) as just saying "head down the street".
- camhart 6y ago
  Do you honestly believe Trump was trying to overthrow the government? Had that been his real intent I'm fairly certain it would have had a more significant outcome beyond people stealing random envelops and podiums. It was a protest that went too far. We've seen plenty of this occur from both sides in the past year.
  - Trasmatta 6y ago
    He was trying to overthrow the election, yes. The same thing he's been trying to do since November 4th. The fact that it was an incompetent attempt (like all of his attempts) makes no difference.
    - Rapzid 6y ago
      Rudy and Trump were busy calling members of congress DURING the lock down to get them to object to the count in order to delay the process.. For reasons. I'm not sure what they were hoping to do by just delaying everything.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > Do you honestly believe Trump was trying to overthrow the government? Yes, just like I think that was the US’s goal in Cuba with the Bay of Pigs. And just as with the Bay of Pigs, the active agents that were sent off were expendable and abandoned once it didn't work. > Had that been his real intent I'm fairly certain it would have had a more significant outcome beyond people stealing random envelops and podiums. Murder of a law enforcement officer is a more significant thing than stealing random envelopes and podiums, as is a mob being stopped from harming Congressional staffers and members at several points by only seconds (and in one case by application of deadly force.) > It was a protest that went too far. The people involved said online they were going to seize and kill security officers and members of Congress to achieve their goals, they did the first and were forcibly prevented from being able to do the second. It was a violent insurrection that went less far than planned.
    - camhart 6y ago
      The officer was killed with a fire extinguisher. I don't mean to downplay the tragedy of his death. But using a fire extinguisher certainly sounds a lot more like a protest gone too far than a president trying to over throw the government. Do I need to remind you that Trump encouraged the protest to be peaceful? Then released a video telling everyone to go home, peacefully? Those involved in the violence are being arrested. "People" online have held up bloody Trump heads, wished for Trump to die. The extreme left isn't this super peaceful always tolerant group. The extreme right isn't either.
- Rapzid 6y ago
  I would like to add too that it's no coincidence that all these extremist groups were at Trump's rally. He has been talking to these people using coded language and rhetorical devices for years. Lots of gross rhetoric at every rally, for years and it's all recorded for people to go back and pour over now. Then there was the great idea to hold a rally down the road from the capital building on that very day, actively invite a bunch of extremist groups you've been courting for years, whip those people up using inflammatory rhetoric and your greatest hits about the the election being stolen, tell them "Because you'll never take back our country with weakness, because you have to show strength and you have to be strong", and then invite them to walk down to the capital building with you.. And let's tweet this during the assault on congress for good measure: Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution I'm not sure it mattered if Trump meant for this to happen. He's toxic, and he's dangerous.
- aww_dang 6y ago
  I think the poster's point was that you can cherry pick extreme examples from either side to support a desired narrative. If you believe that most of the Capitol Building protesters were peaceful this makes sense. Even if you disagree, take that as a hypothetical and work backwards from there to understand this view. Several media outlets are highlighting the worst behavior and generalizing from there. Of course the media has every incentive to be sensationalist. There's also a question of bias outside of the motive of sensationalism.

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Trasmatta 6y ago

Huh? You're really trying to compare what some randos do on Twitter to what the President of the United States did on Wednesday? Really think about it: the President of the United States incited a mob to attack the Capitol to prevent the certification of the vote of his political opponent. He did this by pushing constant lies and propaganda for months, and urging his followers to "fight" for him. Go watch his speech and then try to tell me he didn't know exactly what he was doing. > Trump saying to head down the street I'm honestly flabbergasted that you can see the culmination of Trump's actions from the past year (or however long he's claimed the election would be rigged) as just saying "head down the street".

camhart 6y ago
Do you honestly believe Trump was trying to overthrow the government? Had that been his real intent I'm fairly certain it would have had a more significant outcome beyond people stealing random envelops and podiums. It was a protest that went too far. We've seen plenty of this occur from both sides in the past year.
- Trasmatta 6y ago
  He was trying to overthrow the election, yes. The same thing he's been trying to do since November 4th. The fact that it was an incompetent attempt (like all of his attempts) makes no difference.
  - Rapzid 6y ago
    Rudy and Trump were busy calling members of congress DURING the lock down to get them to object to the count in order to delay the process.. For reasons. I'm not sure what they were hoping to do by just delaying everything.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > Do you honestly believe Trump was trying to overthrow the government? Yes, just like I think that was the US’s goal in Cuba with the Bay of Pigs. And just as with the Bay of Pigs, the active agents that were sent off were expendable and abandoned once it didn't work. > Had that been his real intent I'm fairly certain it would have had a more significant outcome beyond people stealing random envelops and podiums. Murder of a law enforcement officer is a more significant thing than stealing random envelopes and podiums, as is a mob being stopped from harming Congressional staffers and members at several points by only seconds (and in one case by application of deadly force.) > It was a protest that went too far. The people involved said online they were going to seize and kill security officers and members of Congress to achieve their goals, they did the first and were forcibly prevented from being able to do the second. It was a violent insurrection that went less far than planned.
  - camhart 6y ago
    The officer was killed with a fire extinguisher. I don't mean to downplay the tragedy of his death. But using a fire extinguisher certainly sounds a lot more like a protest gone too far than a president trying to over throw the government. Do I need to remind you that Trump encouraged the protest to be peaceful? Then released a video telling everyone to go home, peacefully? Those involved in the violence are being arrested. "People" online have held up bloody Trump heads, wished for Trump to die. The extreme left isn't this super peaceful always tolerant group. The extreme right isn't either.
Rapzid 6y ago
I would like to add too that it's no coincidence that all these extremist groups were at Trump's rally. He has been talking to these people using coded language and rhetorical devices for years. Lots of gross rhetoric at every rally, for years and it's all recorded for people to go back and pour over now. Then there was the great idea to hold a rally down the road from the capital building on that very day, actively invite a bunch of extremist groups you've been courting for years, whip those people up using inflammatory rhetoric and your greatest hits about the the election being stolen, tell them "Because you'll never take back our country with weakness, because you have to show strength and you have to be strong", and then invite them to walk down to the capital building with you.. And let's tweet this during the assault on congress for good measure: Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution I'm not sure it mattered if Trump meant for this to happen. He's toxic, and he's dangerous.
aww_dang 6y ago
I think the poster's point was that you can cherry pick extreme examples from either side to support a desired narrative. If you believe that most of the Capitol Building protesters were peaceful this makes sense. Even if you disagree, take that as a hypothetical and work backwards from there to understand this view. Several media outlets are highlighting the worst behavior and generalizing from there. Of course the media has every incentive to be sensationalist. There's also a question of bias outside of the motive of sensationalism.