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I agree so much with this. I hate how people in that are in a minority demographics tend to cry wolf and discrimination on everything. Personally, it doesn't ev

by SeoxyS 15y ago

I agree so much with this. I hate how people in that are in a minority demographics tend to cry wolf and discrimination on everything. Personally, it doesn't even cross my mind that some people are different than me. I've lived all over the world with all kinds of demographics, and now I live and work in one of the most diverse place on earth: SF. It boggles my mind that this is still an issue for people. An example: I have no problem with gay people, I have a ton of gay friends and spent a year living with a (really cool) gay couple. But what I absolutely cannot stand is people who turn everything into a statement about them being gay. Who try to force me to acknowledge it and use it as an excuse for sucking in general. No, I couldn't give less of a fuck about your sexual preference. But don't try to make it an issues when it's not. PS: On sexual discrimination: If I'm attracted to a girl, I might flirt with her and see how it goes. If I'm at a party, I may try to hook up with a girl. I don't do it with co-workers because it'd complicate the workplace—but otherwise why not? Since when has it become wrong and inappropriate to hit on a girl…?

squasher 15y ago
"Personally, it doesn't even cross my mind that some people are different than me." People who aren't rich, white, straight, and male don't have the privilege of forgetting about their own identity the way you do. In the context of tech for women, this means always wondering if you were hired, fired, or asked to coffee because you are a woman or because you are interesting and competent. It's knowing that if you mess up, you are reinforcing stereotypes about all women. When you walk into a room at a conference and you can count the other women on one hand, men may not notice but women definitely do. We don't have the privilege of forgetting our gender in that context. It's not that men are evil, it's just the way privilege works: when you benefit from it, it's hard to see the experience of those who don't. If you want to hear more about this idea even more eloquently, check out the classic article about white privilege that puts it better than I ever could: http://www.nymbp.org/reference/WhitePrivilege.pdf http://www.nymbp.org/reference/WhitePrivilege.pdf
- stcredzero 15y ago
  People who aren't rich, white, straight, and male don't have the privilege of forgetting about their own identity the way you do. Well, from what I've seen, Korean males of high social status who were born in and live in Korea have that privilege. It's hard to get your head around what this stuff is like as an adult. If you're born as a minority and raised to feel the metaphorical target on you from childhood -- there's just no way to convey what that's like. Face that stuff only as an adult, and you can always draw on your memories from childhood to know that's not true. You can always go back home where you know you are safe. It's quite an eye opener and really weird, being raised by your parents to expect that sort of privilege, then going out in the world to discover the world at large has a very different story to tell you.
- Confusion 15y ago
  In the context of tech for women, this means always wondering if you were hired, fired, or asked to coffee because you are a woman or because you are interesting and competent. Your example also goes the other way around. As a man, you can never hire, fire or ask a woman to coffee without her doubting your motives. The same goes for a gay man, a black man or an old man. As a man, you can't forget your identity either: you always need to be aware of who you are, in relation to the others around you.
  - squasher 15y ago
    Well you can, as evidenced by the attitude of the person I was responding to. That doesn't mean you should, which is I think what you really mean. But yes, having such an imbalance in our community leads to this being a salient part of social interaction when there are much more important characteristics that should rise to the top.
- daniel_solano 15y ago
  > People who aren't rich, white, straight, and male don't have the privilege of forgetting about their own identity the way you do. You know, not everyone who isn't rich, white, straight, and male has the burden of being constantly reminded of one's own identity. As a non-rich, non-white, straight male, I think I can honestly say that I was never particularly aware of my non-richness and non-whiteness until I started attending a large university where people make a big deal about class, race, sexual preference, and sex. Did I get picked on as a child? Sure. But I never assumed it was because I was non-white, I generally thought it was because I was nerdy and small. Once I started standing up for myself, most of the taunting came to an end. Bullies are often cowards. I think that some people are taught to believe that anytime that something bad happens to them, it can only be because of sexism, racism, etc. These sorts of beliefs are ultimately counter-productive and negative. In particular, they teach people not to take personal responsibility for their own lives.
stcredzero 15y ago
I hate how people in that are in a minority demographics tend to cry wolf and discrimination on everything. Isn't concluding that people in minority demographics are either deluded or engaging in deception -- a form of prejudice? now I live and work in one of the most diverse place on earth: SF. It boggles my mind that this is still an issue for people. It boggles my mind as well, even though I live in Houston. I've never been harassed in SF, but I've been racially harassed by strangers in Houston, Cincinnati, Oregon outside of Portland (shock!), County Wexford Ireland, and probably a bunch of other places if I try and remember. I attended a New Year's party at a frat-house in Seattle, where my big bruiser square-headed friend told me he had to talk a bunch of frat brothers out of beating the crap out of me for no reason other than that I have asian features. I don't go looking for trouble, and it doesn't find me very often -- maybe only once in several years or so -- but it does find me from time to time. Most people are good people, but there are a few bad ones out there. (Just like there are a few misogynist douchebags who would rape a woman.) So don't be disgusted or surprised if I wonder why certain strangers seem to take an instant dislike to me before I've even finished my first sentence or talk over me or don't even deign to look at me even though we're clearly in the same conversation group. That occasional bad person might come out of the woodwork with no warning or provocation to ruin my day.

by SeoxyS 15y ago

squasher 15y ago

"Personally, it doesn't even cross my mind that some people are different than me." People who aren't rich, white, straight, and male don't have the privilege of forgetting about their own identity the way you do. In the context of tech for women, this means always wondering if you were hired, fired, or asked to coffee because you are a woman or because you are interesting and competent. It's knowing that if you mess up, you are reinforcing stereotypes about all women. When you walk into a room at a conference and you can count the other women on one hand, men may not notice but women definitely do. We don't have the privilege of forgetting our gender in that context. It's not that men are evil, it's just the way privilege works: when you benefit from it, it's hard to see the experience of those who don't. If you want to hear more about this idea even more eloquently, check out the classic article about white privilege that puts it better than I ever could: http://www.nymbp.org/reference/WhitePrivilege.pdf http://www.nymbp.org/reference/WhitePrivilege.pdf

stcredzero 15y ago
People who aren't rich, white, straight, and male don't have the privilege of forgetting about their own identity the way you do. Well, from what I've seen, Korean males of high social status who were born in and live in Korea have that privilege. It's hard to get your head around what this stuff is like as an adult. If you're born as a minority and raised to feel the metaphorical target on you from childhood -- there's just no way to convey what that's like. Face that stuff only as an adult, and you can always draw on your memories from childhood to know that's not true. You can always go back home where you know you are safe. It's quite an eye opener and really weird, being raised by your parents to expect that sort of privilege, then going out in the world to discover the world at large has a very different story to tell you.
Confusion 15y ago
In the context of tech for women, this means always wondering if you were hired, fired, or asked to coffee because you are a woman or because you are interesting and competent. Your example also goes the other way around. As a man, you can never hire, fire or ask a woman to coffee without her doubting your motives. The same goes for a gay man, a black man or an old man. As a man, you can't forget your identity either: you always need to be aware of who you are, in relation to the others around you.
- squasher 15y ago
  Well you can, as evidenced by the attitude of the person I was responding to. That doesn't mean you should, which is I think what you really mean. But yes, having such an imbalance in our community leads to this being a salient part of social interaction when there are much more important characteristics that should rise to the top.
daniel_solano 15y ago
> People who aren't rich, white, straight, and male don't have the privilege of forgetting about their own identity the way you do. You know, not everyone who isn't rich, white, straight, and male has the burden of being constantly reminded of one's own identity. As a non-rich, non-white, straight male, I think I can honestly say that I was never particularly aware of my non-richness and non-whiteness until I started attending a large university where people make a big deal about class, race, sexual preference, and sex. Did I get picked on as a child? Sure. But I never assumed it was because I was non-white, I generally thought it was because I was nerdy and small. Once I started standing up for myself, most of the taunting came to an end. Bullies are often cowards. I think that some people are taught to believe that anytime that something bad happens to them, it can only be because of sexism, racism, etc. These sorts of beliefs are ultimately counter-productive and negative. In particular, they teach people not to take personal responsibility for their own lives.

stcredzero 15y ago

I hate how people in that are in a minority demographics tend to cry wolf and discrimination on everything. Isn't concluding that people in minority demographics are either deluded or engaging in deception -- a form of prejudice? now I live and work in one of the most diverse place on earth: SF. It boggles my mind that this is still an issue for people. It boggles my mind as well, even though I live in Houston. I've never been harassed in SF, but I've been racially harassed by strangers in Houston, Cincinnati, Oregon outside of Portland (shock!), County Wexford Ireland, and probably a bunch of other places if I try and remember. I attended a New Year's party at a frat-house in Seattle, where my big bruiser square-headed friend told me he had to talk a bunch of frat brothers out of beating the crap out of me for no reason other than that I have asian features. I don't go looking for trouble, and it doesn't find me very often -- maybe only once in several years or so -- but it does find me from time to time. Most people are good people, but there are a few bad ones out there. (Just like there are a few misogynist douchebags who would rape a woman.) So don't be disgusted or surprised if I wonder why certain strangers seem to take an instant dislike to me before I've even finished my first sentence or talk over me or don't even deign to look at me even though we're clearly in the same conversation group. That occasional bad person might come out of the woodwork with no warning or provocation to ruin my day.