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I m sorry but all this concerted action feels (from afar) a lot like "if people don't vote the way we want, we re just gonna have to force them". It's not about

I m sorry but all this concerted action feels (from afar) a lot like "if people don't vote the way we want, we re just gonna have to force them". It's not about overreach, but companies are not political entities, and reversing this relationship is a self-defeating travesty And if they are doing it for cheap popularity points -- well trump may be gone in a week, but his voters won't leave. this just reinforces mistrust in the state itself

zionic 6y ago
What’s amazing is this is, despite most commenters agreeing here, incredible evidence for the “they’re all controlled by the same people” crowd. This level of coordinated action shouldn’t be possible in a healthy, diverse, competitive environment.
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- gameswithgo 6y ago
  sure it is possible, these people all just agree that parler and trump are a danger to the country and want no part of it anymore. the combination of the riots and trump losing the election means there is both more motivation to jump ship and less risk from doing so. if trump had won the election none of these companies would take the risk.
- qeternity 6y ago
  Of course it is. It’s not like these are fringe views that people are acting on. Look at his inner circle who abandoned him before “Big Tech” did. There’s a huge (and growing) chunk of society that is sick of what he says and does. Forget his ideals, I’m talking about his behavior.
- danhor 6y ago
  The obvious reason could be something happening, impacting all these decisions in an major way. An attempted self-coup is a pretty good reason to act. Now the obvious question is, why did it take a few days? A) It didn't (twitter and other social media platforms reacted pretty fast) B) Companies that don't have a lot of experience with people inciting violence and riots (i.e. not huge social media companies) probably didn't have a process ready C) Since other companies took actions, the ones left may "read the room" In fact, the spread-around (in time) and ad-hoc actions speak more to an "oh shit, this is very bad for our image and our own employees are very unhappy with this" reaction
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- jimmygrapes 6y ago
  Please stop this rhetoric, it contributes nothing but entrenching misinformation and causes divisiveness in the community.
betterunix2 6y ago
Sorry, are you talking about the action by Stripe, or the action of the terrorists on Wednesday? See, it is hard to know, because on Wednesday Trump held a campaign rally where he told a crowd of armed terrorists to go to the Capitol and "save" the country from "weak" Republicans who were going to vote to certify the results of the election Trump lost. Nobody is coordinating these various bans. The fact is that the Trump campaign had been allowed to violate terms of service for years because he was a major party candidate for president, and then because he actually became president. Those special allowances could only go so far. Once Trump crossed the line and started giving marching orders to terrorist groups -- and yes, the people who ransacked the Capitol were terrorists according to the definition the US government itself uses -- nobody could continue to look the other way.
- cltby 6y ago
  Interesting, could you point us to this definition? The Capitol attackers caused three to four orders of magnitude less damage than last summer’s racial reckoners, and I’m assured the latter’s actions were not terrorism.
- j8hn 6y ago
  The argument that he gave marching orders is hyperbole.
gameswithgo 6y ago
people did vote they way they wanted
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Tokkemon 6y ago
Stop downplaying a literally terrorist attack on the nation's Capitol.
- refurb 6y ago
  It's entertaining how the left was so critical of the use of the word "terrorist" when talking about the War on Terror, but then immediately started throwing it around when it politically expedient.
  - eejit_compiler 6y ago
    This does fit the definition of terrorism though: violent action, or threats of violent action, for political purposes. I think it would be very difficult to argue that last week's invasion of the Capitol Building was neither violent nor politically motivated.
    - refurb 6y ago
      By that same definition the antifa riots are terrorism too then? Politically motivated violence - throwing explosives, setting buildings on fire, etc. Yet I haven't heard that word used at all.
      - ShamelessC 6y ago
        The "ANTIFA" riots? Can you cite a source for this claim that the black lives matters protests were propagated in any sort of widespread, organized concerted effort by "ANTIFA"? I hear this claim often from Trump supporters but as far as I can tell, they either heard it on talk radio or Fox News. Considering Fox News' coverage of Trump prior to the election, I don't exactly consider them a reliable source. If you could provide a single source for these claims I think that would help your case tremendously. Otherwise (and I'm so sorry if this sounds condescending), have you considered reflecting on the trustworthiness of the news you tend to digest? I think we can all agree that it's time for the GOP to reflect. Many of them were willing to throw away their principles by repeating Trump's lies that the election was unfair or stolen. Have you not yet arrived at this conclusion finally?
flowside 6y ago
It's a business decision. What if a boycott starts because other customers don't like Stripe sticking with Parler? They should just eat the losses? It's a business decision and companies are free to make them.
christiansakai 6y ago
Mistrust is already there. It is too late. Force is the only way forward. Even they agree with this notion, otherwise they wouldn't storm the capitol. Everyone is just playing according to the rules.
ashtonkem 6y ago
The irony of this is that you’re so close to being right, but you’re focusing on the wrong group. On Wednesday an armed mob literally rushed the Capitol because people didn’t vote the way they wanted them to, with the intent to just force them. It might end up being a “self-defeating travesty”, but only time will tell. But you seem more worried about a virtual “mob”, which frankly seems insanely out of touch at the moment. And more than a little bit insulting, given that there are actual mobs running around trying to kill members of congress.
- philliphaydon 6y ago
  > armed mob I donno if I'm just blind but I keep hearing 'armed' but I haven't seen any photos of the mob carrying guns or baseball bats as claimed by the media. The only photo that showed anything was the guy climbing over the seats with zip-ties which were apparently taken from a bag left by a police offer? Not saying you're wrong just feel like the photos / videos, vs what people are saying, seem to contradict each other.
  - freeone3000 6y ago
    Capitol police found and defused three pipe bombs, and seven people in the mob so far were arrested for carrying illegal firearms. And as an aside, "armed" versus "unarmed" is largely immaterial. I don't care if you and five hundred of your buddies show up with supersoakers and pool noodles with the intent to overturn a vote count, it's a direct assault on democracy.
  - nobody9999 6y ago
    I found these with a 10 second web search. There were many more results with similar information. According to this[0]: "More than 60 people were arrested, at least 50 police were injured, and officers confiscated guns, pipe bombs and Molotov cocktails." And this[1]: "An Alabama man allegedly parked a pickup truck packed with 11 homemade bombs, an assault rifle and a handgun two blocks from the US Capitol building on Wednesday for hours before authorities ever noticed, according to federal prosecutors. Another man allegedly showed up in the nation's capital with an assault rifle and hundreds of rounds of ammunition and told acquaintances that he wanted to shoot or run over House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, prosecutors said." [0] https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tally-live-updates/2021/01/07/954349992/where-was-the-security-when-a-mob-stormed-the-capitol https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tall... [1] https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/feds-police-found-pickup-truck-full-of-bombs-guns-near-capitol-insurrection/article_fac572a3-c061-5146-ba19-0ac323cf45d9.html https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/feds-p...

zionic 6y ago

What’s amazing is this is, despite most commenters agreeing here, incredible evidence for the “they’re all controlled by the same people” crowd. This level of coordinated action shouldn’t be possible in a healthy, diverse, competitive environment.

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gameswithgo 6y ago
sure it is possible, these people all just agree that parler and trump are a danger to the country and want no part of it anymore. the combination of the riots and trump losing the election means there is both more motivation to jump ship and less risk from doing so. if trump had won the election none of these companies would take the risk.
qeternity 6y ago
Of course it is. It’s not like these are fringe views that people are acting on. Look at his inner circle who abandoned him before “Big Tech” did. There’s a huge (and growing) chunk of society that is sick of what he says and does. Forget his ideals, I’m talking about his behavior.
danhor 6y ago
The obvious reason could be something happening, impacting all these decisions in an major way. An attempted self-coup is a pretty good reason to act. Now the obvious question is, why did it take a few days? A) It didn't (twitter and other social media platforms reacted pretty fast) B) Companies that don't have a lot of experience with people inciting violence and riots (i.e. not huge social media companies) probably didn't have a process ready C) Since other companies took actions, the ones left may "read the room" In fact, the spread-around (in time) and ad-hoc actions speak more to an "oh shit, this is very bad for our image and our own employees are very unhappy with this" reaction

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jimmygrapes 6y ago
Please stop this rhetoric, it contributes nothing but entrenching misinformation and causes divisiveness in the community.

betterunix2 6y ago

Sorry, are you talking about the action by Stripe, or the action of the terrorists on Wednesday? See, it is hard to know, because on Wednesday Trump held a campaign rally where he told a crowd of armed terrorists to go to the Capitol and "save" the country from "weak" Republicans who were going to vote to certify the results of the election Trump lost. Nobody is coordinating these various bans. The fact is that the Trump campaign had been allowed to violate terms of service for years because he was a major party candidate for president, and then because he actually became president. Those special allowances could only go so far. Once Trump crossed the line and started giving marching orders to terrorist groups -- and yes, the people who ransacked the Capitol were terrorists according to the definition the US government itself uses -- nobody could continue to look the other way.

cltby 6y ago
Interesting, could you point us to this definition? The Capitol attackers caused three to four orders of magnitude less damage than last summer’s racial reckoners, and I’m assured the latter’s actions were not terrorism.
j8hn 6y ago
The argument that he gave marching orders is hyperbole.

gameswithgo 6y ago

people did vote they way they wanted

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Tokkemon 6y ago

Stop downplaying a literally terrorist attack on the nation's Capitol.

refurb 6y ago
It's entertaining how the left was so critical of the use of the word "terrorist" when talking about the War on Terror, but then immediately started throwing it around when it politically expedient.
- eejit_compiler 6y ago
  This does fit the definition of terrorism though: violent action, or threats of violent action, for political purposes. I think it would be very difficult to argue that last week's invasion of the Capitol Building was neither violent nor politically motivated.
  - refurb 6y ago
    By that same definition the antifa riots are terrorism too then? Politically motivated violence - throwing explosives, setting buildings on fire, etc. Yet I haven't heard that word used at all.
    - ShamelessC 6y ago
      The "ANTIFA" riots? Can you cite a source for this claim that the black lives matters protests were propagated in any sort of widespread, organized concerted effort by "ANTIFA"? I hear this claim often from Trump supporters but as far as I can tell, they either heard it on talk radio or Fox News. Considering Fox News' coverage of Trump prior to the election, I don't exactly consider them a reliable source. If you could provide a single source for these claims I think that would help your case tremendously. Otherwise (and I'm so sorry if this sounds condescending), have you considered reflecting on the trustworthiness of the news you tend to digest? I think we can all agree that it's time for the GOP to reflect. Many of them were willing to throw away their principles by repeating Trump's lies that the election was unfair or stolen. Have you not yet arrived at this conclusion finally?

flowside 6y ago

It's a business decision. What if a boycott starts because other customers don't like Stripe sticking with Parler? They should just eat the losses? It's a business decision and companies are free to make them.

christiansakai 6y ago

Mistrust is already there. It is too late. Force is the only way forward. Even they agree with this notion, otherwise they wouldn't storm the capitol. Everyone is just playing according to the rules.

ashtonkem 6y ago

The irony of this is that you’re so close to being right, but you’re focusing on the wrong group. On Wednesday an armed mob literally rushed the Capitol because people didn’t vote the way they wanted them to, with the intent to just force them. It might end up being a “self-defeating travesty”, but only time will tell. But you seem more worried about a virtual “mob”, which frankly seems insanely out of touch at the moment. And more than a little bit insulting, given that there are actual mobs running around trying to kill members of congress.

philliphaydon 6y ago
> armed mob I donno if I'm just blind but I keep hearing 'armed' but I haven't seen any photos of the mob carrying guns or baseball bats as claimed by the media. The only photo that showed anything was the guy climbing over the seats with zip-ties which were apparently taken from a bag left by a police offer? Not saying you're wrong just feel like the photos / videos, vs what people are saying, seem to contradict each other.
- freeone3000 6y ago
  Capitol police found and defused three pipe bombs, and seven people in the mob so far were arrested for carrying illegal firearms. And as an aside, "armed" versus "unarmed" is largely immaterial. I don't care if you and five hundred of your buddies show up with supersoakers and pool noodles with the intent to overturn a vote count, it's a direct assault on democracy.
- nobody9999 6y ago
  I found these with a 10 second web search. There were many more results with similar information. According to this[0]: "More than 60 people were arrested, at least 50 police were injured, and officers confiscated guns, pipe bombs and Molotov cocktails." And this[1]: "An Alabama man allegedly parked a pickup truck packed with 11 homemade bombs, an assault rifle and a handgun two blocks from the US Capitol building on Wednesday for hours before authorities ever noticed, according to federal prosecutors. Another man allegedly showed up in the nation's capital with an assault rifle and hundreds of rounds of ammunition and told acquaintances that he wanted to shoot or run over House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, prosecutors said." [0] https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tally-live-updates/2021/01/07/954349992/where-was-the-security-when-a-mob-stormed-the-capitol https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tall... [1] https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/feds-police-found-pickup-truck-full-of-bombs-guns-near-capitol-insurrection/article_fac572a3-c061-5146-ba19-0ac323cf45d9.html https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/feds-p...