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All of these silicon valley companies need to realize they live in a bubble. You can't continue doing this and expect it to be recieved well. Yes the extreme

All of these silicon valley companies need to realize they live in a bubble. You can't continue doing this and expect it to be recieved well. Yes the extreme right is ridiculous. But the extreme left is too. Spend some time outside silicon valley and other liberal hubs. Understand the perspective of others. I am not in favor of violence. I am not in favor of Trump's behavior. However Trumps stance on policy typically aligns more closely with what I believe than Biden. Behavior like this alienates me. Again, I do not love Trump. Far from it. But these moves come across not as anti-extreme-right, but anti-conservative.

Trasmatta 6y ago
> But these moves come across not as anti-extreme-right, but anti-conservative. No, they're anti-"storm the nation's seat of government with an angry mob intent on killing members of Congress and / or the Vice President, as a last ditch effort to overturn a democratic election"
- camhart 6y ago
  Yes some were violent. Yes those who were violent should be arrested, investigated, etc. But I'd argue half the country doesn't agree that the mobs intent was on killing members of congress. And that's the issue. You view it from that perspective, and from that perspective it makes sense to ban everything. But half the country (likely) doesn't agree with that perspective. I remember seeing bloody heads of Trump on twitter. That certainly seems a lot more like inciting violence than Trump saying to head down the street. As violence started to break out Trump tweeted that they should remain peaceful. Followed up by a video saying go home in peace. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/6568305002 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/6568305002
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  - Trasmatta 6y ago
    Huh? You're really trying to compare what some randos do on Twitter to what the President of the United States did on Wednesday? Really think about it: the President of the United States incited a mob to attack the Capitol to prevent the certification of the vote of his political opponent. He did this by pushing constant lies and propaganda for months, and urging his followers to "fight" for him. Go watch his speech and then try to tell me he didn't know exactly what he was doing. > Trump saying to head down the street I'm honestly flabbergasted that you can see the culmination of Trump's actions from the past year (or however long he's claimed the election would be rigged) as just saying "head down the street".
    - camhart 6y ago
      Do you honestly believe Trump was trying to overthrow the government? Had that been his real intent I'm fairly certain it would have had a more significant outcome beyond people stealing random envelops and podiums. It was a protest that went too far. We've seen plenty of this occur from both sides in the past year.
      - Trasmatta 6y ago
        He was trying to overthrow the election, yes. The same thing he's been trying to do since November 4th. The fact that it was an incompetent attempt (like all of his attempts) makes no difference.
        Rapzid 6y ago
        Rudy and Trump were busy calling members of congress DURING the lock down to get them to object to the count in order to delay the process.. For reasons. I'm not sure what they were hoping to do by just delaying everything.
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        > Do you honestly believe Trump was trying to overthrow the government? Yes, just like I think that was the US’s goal in Cuba with the Bay of Pigs. And just as with the Bay of Pigs, the active agents that were sent off were expendable and abandoned once it didn't work. > Had that been his real intent I'm fairly certain it would have had a more significant outcome beyond people stealing random envelops and podiums. Murder of a law enforcement officer is a more significant thing than stealing random envelopes and podiums, as is a mob being stopped from harming Congressional staffers and members at several points by only seconds (and in one case by application of deadly force.) > It was a protest that went too far. The people involved said online they were going to seize and kill security officers and members of Congress to achieve their goals, they did the first and were forcibly prevented from being able to do the second. It was a violent insurrection that went less far than planned.
thundergolfer 6y ago
I’m sure they took it into account that certain people would feel “alienated” by this, but weighed it against what has happened over the last 4 years and what happened last week in the Capitol and decided “yep, worth it”. Personally, I don’t understand how you can acknowledge that you ‘far from love Trump’ (paraphrase) but then consider a banning of his campaign (which is separate from the R party and from conservatism) as against you, a conservative.

Trasmatta 6y ago

> But these moves come across not as anti-extreme-right, but anti-conservative. No, they're anti-"storm the nation's seat of government with an angry mob intent on killing members of Congress and / or the Vice President, as a last ditch effort to overturn a democratic election"

camhart 6y ago
Yes some were violent. Yes those who were violent should be arrested, investigated, etc. But I'd argue half the country doesn't agree that the mobs intent was on killing members of congress. And that's the issue. You view it from that perspective, and from that perspective it makes sense to ban everything. But half the country (likely) doesn't agree with that perspective. I remember seeing bloody heads of Trump on twitter. That certainly seems a lot more like inciting violence than Trump saying to head down the street. As violence started to break out Trump tweeted that they should remain peaceful. Followed up by a video saying go home in peace. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/6568305002 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/6568305002
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- Trasmatta 6y ago
  Huh? You're really trying to compare what some randos do on Twitter to what the President of the United States did on Wednesday? Really think about it: the President of the United States incited a mob to attack the Capitol to prevent the certification of the vote of his political opponent. He did this by pushing constant lies and propaganda for months, and urging his followers to "fight" for him. Go watch his speech and then try to tell me he didn't know exactly what he was doing. > Trump saying to head down the street I'm honestly flabbergasted that you can see the culmination of Trump's actions from the past year (or however long he's claimed the election would be rigged) as just saying "head down the street".
  - camhart 6y ago
    Do you honestly believe Trump was trying to overthrow the government? Had that been his real intent I'm fairly certain it would have had a more significant outcome beyond people stealing random envelops and podiums. It was a protest that went too far. We've seen plenty of this occur from both sides in the past year.
    - Trasmatta 6y ago
      He was trying to overthrow the election, yes. The same thing he's been trying to do since November 4th. The fact that it was an incompetent attempt (like all of his attempts) makes no difference.
      - Rapzid 6y ago
        Rudy and Trump were busy calling members of congress DURING the lock down to get them to object to the count in order to delay the process.. For reasons. I'm not sure what they were hoping to do by just delaying everything.
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > Do you honestly believe Trump was trying to overthrow the government? Yes, just like I think that was the US’s goal in Cuba with the Bay of Pigs. And just as with the Bay of Pigs, the active agents that were sent off were expendable and abandoned once it didn't work. > Had that been his real intent I'm fairly certain it would have had a more significant outcome beyond people stealing random envelops and podiums. Murder of a law enforcement officer is a more significant thing than stealing random envelopes and podiums, as is a mob being stopped from harming Congressional staffers and members at several points by only seconds (and in one case by application of deadly force.) > It was a protest that went too far. The people involved said online they were going to seize and kill security officers and members of Congress to achieve their goals, they did the first and were forcibly prevented from being able to do the second. It was a violent insurrection that went less far than planned.

thundergolfer 6y ago

I’m sure they took it into account that certain people would feel “alienated” by this, but weighed it against what has happened over the last 4 years and what happened last week in the Capitol and decided “yep, worth it”. Personally, I don’t understand how you can acknowledge that you ‘far from love Trump’ (paraphrase) but then consider a banning of his campaign (which is separate from the R party and from conservatism) as against you, a conservative.