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>An American Nurses Association survey of 13,000 registered nurses showed 34% said they would take a COVID-19 vaccine, with 36% saying they would not and the re

>An American Nurses Association survey of 13,000 registered nurses showed 34% said they would take a COVID-19 vaccine, with 36% saying they would not and the rest saying they weren’t sure I wonder if the number wanting to say "no" is higher, and people just selected "unsure" in case there were repercussions for saying a straight "no"

darig 6y ago
I wonder if nurses hate unsolicited surveys as much as the general population, and lie to them just like I do.
dubya 6y ago
Third-hand knowledge, but a neighbor who is an ER doctor is always complaining that many nurses do not take PPE and Covid seriously despite seeing hundreds of seriously ill people this past year.
- aksss 6y ago
  My partner and I happened to be at the hospital around April time frame, and even though they had PPE-adorned people at the entrance taking temperatures and logging data, I was surprised how many nurses were not wearing masks, and indeed neither did our doctor. May have changed since then, but it felt like peak panic (of the unknown) was strongest in my area closer to the initial outbreak. While more people wear masks now, my perception is that there is far less concern about COVID. I'm curious what is responsible for that - fatigue, fatalism, survivor's recklessness?
  - kelnos 6y ago
    I expect fatigue might be a big part of it. Regular people are feeling it, and health care workers are not immune to it. Having said that, I've been going to a hospital twice a week for the past few months for allergy shots, and everyone is strictly masked and distanced. Two examples of strictness details: nurses will open and close doors for me so I don't have to touch them. And once they had me take an allergy medication before getting my shot, and the nurse actually left the room while I had my mask off taking the pill. Having said that, I go running in my neighborhood, usually through part of the campus of a (different) hospital. I regularly see people in scrubs with hospital IDs walking to the parking lot (within a few feet of me if I didn't avoid them) with their masks pulled down off their faces. So seems there's quite a bit of variation.
- glandium 6y ago
  Could it be because they saw cases of other nurses or doctors using PPE still getting it because of the amount of exposure?
  - abc_lisper 6y ago
    That makes even less sense. The solution is to be adopt stricter controls not less.
    - adenosine 6y ago
      Hospitals in my area enforcing higher levels of PPE are having problems with staffing because of PPE fatigue and staff don’t get sick less then hospitals with less PPE.
  - jjeaff 6y ago
    Lots of people die every year in car accidents while wearing a seatbelt. Which is why I stopped wearing a seatbelt.
    - vlod 6y ago
      Lots of people are saved every year in car accidents while wearing a seatbelt. Which is why I wear a seatbelt.
- tracedddd 6y ago
  Presumably, the vast majority of the nurses working now have either already contracted and recovered from COVID, and are now likely immune, or gone through months of heavy exposure without consequence. I’m not particularly surprised they aren’t taking it as seriously as we may expect at this point.
  - Exmoor 6y ago
    I was pretty shocked to start poking around and see that most frontline COVID workers have not contracted the virus yet. I even saw a study that indicated that nurses were more likely to have contracted the virus through social contact outside of work than through contact at work. Apparently PPE is really working well. It also probably helps that by the time patients are hospitalized they're likely past their most contagious point.
- oliv__ 6y ago
  And why should they? The mortality is ridiculously low
  - phobosanomaly 6y ago
    So they don't spread it to their patients?
  - KurtMueller 6y ago
    In 2020, COVID-19 was the 3rd leading cause of death in the United Staes - behind heart disease and cancer. It's the only cause of death in the top 5 that's transmissible from person to person. People watch what they eat to avoid heart disease and wear seatbelts to prevent dying in car accidents. Why not wear PPE to prevent COVID-19?
    - postalrat 6y ago
      You should use PPE but don't say it prevents covid. If that were true then it would have been under control long ago. PPE reduces transmission. It doesn't stop it.
    - anonunivgrad 6y ago
      Those deaths are almost all among the extremely old or extremely unhealthy. Consider that that vast majority of doctors and nurses are neither.
  - anonuser123456 6y ago
    Long term morbidity?
zug_zug 6y ago
This one is rough. I suppose nurse's have a legal right not to get vaccinated, but because they are going to be in contact with at-risk populations and are exponentially more likely to encounter sick people, I figure hospitals have a right not to employee those nurse's for a while (unless they already have antibodies), and patients should have a right to know too.

darig 6y ago

I wonder if nurses hate unsolicited surveys as much as the general population, and lie to them just like I do.

dubya 6y ago

Third-hand knowledge, but a neighbor who is an ER doctor is always complaining that many nurses do not take PPE and Covid seriously despite seeing hundreds of seriously ill people this past year.

aksss 6y ago
My partner and I happened to be at the hospital around April time frame, and even though they had PPE-adorned people at the entrance taking temperatures and logging data, I was surprised how many nurses were not wearing masks, and indeed neither did our doctor. May have changed since then, but it felt like peak panic (of the unknown) was strongest in my area closer to the initial outbreak. While more people wear masks now, my perception is that there is far less concern about COVID. I'm curious what is responsible for that - fatigue, fatalism, survivor's recklessness?
- kelnos 6y ago
  I expect fatigue might be a big part of it. Regular people are feeling it, and health care workers are not immune to it. Having said that, I've been going to a hospital twice a week for the past few months for allergy shots, and everyone is strictly masked and distanced. Two examples of strictness details: nurses will open and close doors for me so I don't have to touch them. And once they had me take an allergy medication before getting my shot, and the nurse actually left the room while I had my mask off taking the pill. Having said that, I go running in my neighborhood, usually through part of the campus of a (different) hospital. I regularly see people in scrubs with hospital IDs walking to the parking lot (within a few feet of me if I didn't avoid them) with their masks pulled down off their faces. So seems there's quite a bit of variation.
glandium 6y ago
Could it be because they saw cases of other nurses or doctors using PPE still getting it because of the amount of exposure?
- abc_lisper 6y ago
  That makes even less sense. The solution is to be adopt stricter controls not less.
  - adenosine 6y ago
    Hospitals in my area enforcing higher levels of PPE are having problems with staffing because of PPE fatigue and staff don’t get sick less then hospitals with less PPE.
- jjeaff 6y ago
  Lots of people die every year in car accidents while wearing a seatbelt. Which is why I stopped wearing a seatbelt.
  - vlod 6y ago
    Lots of people are saved every year in car accidents while wearing a seatbelt. Which is why I wear a seatbelt.
tracedddd 6y ago
Presumably, the vast majority of the nurses working now have either already contracted and recovered from COVID, and are now likely immune, or gone through months of heavy exposure without consequence. I’m not particularly surprised they aren’t taking it as seriously as we may expect at this point.
- Exmoor 6y ago
  I was pretty shocked to start poking around and see that most frontline COVID workers have not contracted the virus yet. I even saw a study that indicated that nurses were more likely to have contracted the virus through social contact outside of work than through contact at work. Apparently PPE is really working well. It also probably helps that by the time patients are hospitalized they're likely past their most contagious point.
oliv__ 6y ago
And why should they? The mortality is ridiculously low
- phobosanomaly 6y ago
  So they don't spread it to their patients?
- KurtMueller 6y ago
  In 2020, COVID-19 was the 3rd leading cause of death in the United Staes - behind heart disease and cancer. It's the only cause of death in the top 5 that's transmissible from person to person. People watch what they eat to avoid heart disease and wear seatbelts to prevent dying in car accidents. Why not wear PPE to prevent COVID-19?
  - postalrat 6y ago
    You should use PPE but don't say it prevents covid. If that were true then it would have been under control long ago. PPE reduces transmission. It doesn't stop it.
  - anonunivgrad 6y ago
    Those deaths are almost all among the extremely old or extremely unhealthy. Consider that that vast majority of doctors and nurses are neither.
- anonuser123456 6y ago
  Long term morbidity?

zug_zug 6y ago

This one is rough. I suppose nurse's have a legal right not to get vaccinated, but because they are going to be in contact with at-risk populations and are exponentially more likely to encounter sick people, I figure hospitals have a right not to employee those nurse's for a while (unless they already have antibodies), and patients should have a right to know too.