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Should I be worried? Probably not since I am not advocating for the violent overthrow of democracy in America.

dantheman 6y ago
wikileaks was mainly attacked through denial of access to the financial system. Would you be ok with Stripe stopping payment to the GOP?
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- eganist 6y ago
  > Would you be ok with Stripe stopping payment to the GOP? Has the GOP, specifically the GOP, advocated for the violent overthrow of the United States Government?
  - jasonjayr 6y ago
    They're getting there. > My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub. ~ Grover Norquest
  - danhak 6y ago
    “Let’s have trial by combat!” -Rudy Giuliani, 1/6/2021
    - benmmurphy 6y ago
      This quote is deeply misleading. It's not completely clear but I think Rudy is talking about Biden, Trump and himself staking their reputations on the outcome of a fraud investigation. The transcript and the speech is available here: https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/rudy-giuliani-speech-transcript-at-trumps-washington-d-c-rally-wants-trial-by-combat https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/rudy-giuliani-speech-tr... Over the next 10 days, we get to see the machines that are crooked, the ballots that are fraudulent, and if we’re wrong, we will be made fools of. But if we’re right, a lot of them will go to jail. Let’s have trial by combat. I’m willing to stake my reputation, the President is willing to stake his reputation, on the fact that we’re going to find criminality there. Is Joe Biden willing to stake his reputation that there’s no crime there? No. There is also a pause around the trial by combat comment that is not evident in the transcript so its probably worth listening to the speech to get the full context.
  - arsome 6y ago
    Has Trump? Did I miss something here? I find it difficult to say he's done anything of the sort directly. I read the comments Twitter used to justify his ban the other day and none of it seemed to directly be calling for any sort of violence, let alone overthrow. EDIT: Is HN so far left-leaning that I get flagged in under 5 minutes for asking this? Sorry, I'm not American, it's possible I missed something here.
  - betterunix2 6y ago
    The RNC declared Trump to be the leader of their party after he told a crowd of armed terrorists that they should go to the Capitol and "save" the country from the politicians who were busy certifying the results of an election. They did so after that same crowd stormed the Capitol building, replaced the American flag with a Trump flag, and proudly declared to the cameras that they were there for a "revolution." Kind of hard to know where the line is drawn between "declaring as your leader the man who advocates for a violent overthrow" and "advocating for a violent overthow."
    - benmmurphy 6y ago
      Trump never advocated for violent overthrow of the government.
- ketamine__ 6y ago
  Stripe hasn't been around that long. I'm sure they can find another payment processor. And if they can't, well, we all know Republicans don't trust filling out documents (i.e. ballots) when it isn't done in person. So perhaps the best solution is for supporters to drive to their local GOP office and hand deliver the cash.
- JshWright 6y ago
  The GOP is cool with bakers denying service to gay couples, so I assume they would be ok with that, right?
cpursley 6y ago
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. - Martin Niemöller
- vecter 6y ago
  First they came for the violent insurrectionists attempting a coup in the nation's capital to prevent the peaceful transition of power, and I was glad that they did. The end.
  - cpursley 6y ago
    When you start regulating speech (a constantly moving target), there's very rarely a "the end".
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deepnotderp 6y ago
During Stalin’s purges engineers and scientists often claimed their rivals were anti communist to get ahead. This is how Sergei Korolev ended up in the gulag for a decade. Poor guy believed even in the gulag that Stalin was still good and in no way responsible.
staunch 6y ago
Absolutely, you should be worried. No court has ruled that Trump has done anything illegal. It is not even a proven fact that he is advocating for the violent overthrow of democracy in America. Properly run law courts make these decisions. It is not for you or me to decide. That is the definition of mob rule. Based on pressure from the public, a few powerful Tech Moguls have acted as judges within their private jurisdictions, which just so happen to encompass some of the most important infrastructure in the modern world. What if these Tech Moguls get it wrong, and start denying your tribe the services of the modern world? Anyone who thinks this issue is simple is confused. These are new problems of the modern world. Solving them probably requires new laws.
lazyjones 6y ago
Irony? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...
dang 6y ago
You've been posting tons of political flamewar comments to HN, some of which have been egregious. I'm replying here because it's your most recent comment, not because it's the worst of what you've been doing on this site. We ban accounts that use HN primarily for political battle, regardless of which politics they're battling for. We have to, because otherwise this site won't survive for its intended purpose, which is intellectual curiosity. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stop doing this, we'd appreciate it.

wikileaks was mainly attacked through denial of access to the financial system. Would you be ok with Stripe stopping payment to the GOP?

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eganist 6y ago
> Would you be ok with Stripe stopping payment to the GOP? Has the GOP, specifically the GOP, advocated for the violent overthrow of the United States Government?
- jasonjayr 6y ago
  They're getting there. > My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub. ~ Grover Norquest
- danhak 6y ago
  “Let’s have trial by combat!” -Rudy Giuliani, 1/6/2021
  - benmmurphy 6y ago
    This quote is deeply misleading. It's not completely clear but I think Rudy is talking about Biden, Trump and himself staking their reputations on the outcome of a fraud investigation. The transcript and the speech is available here: https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/rudy-giuliani-speech-transcript-at-trumps-washington-d-c-rally-wants-trial-by-combat https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/rudy-giuliani-speech-tr... Over the next 10 days, we get to see the machines that are crooked, the ballots that are fraudulent, and if we’re wrong, we will be made fools of. But if we’re right, a lot of them will go to jail. Let’s have trial by combat. I’m willing to stake my reputation, the President is willing to stake his reputation, on the fact that we’re going to find criminality there. Is Joe Biden willing to stake his reputation that there’s no crime there? No. There is also a pause around the trial by combat comment that is not evident in the transcript so its probably worth listening to the speech to get the full context.
- arsome 6y ago
  Has Trump? Did I miss something here? I find it difficult to say he's done anything of the sort directly. I read the comments Twitter used to justify his ban the other day and none of it seemed to directly be calling for any sort of violence, let alone overthrow. EDIT: Is HN so far left-leaning that I get flagged in under 5 minutes for asking this? Sorry, I'm not American, it's possible I missed something here.
- betterunix2 6y ago
  The RNC declared Trump to be the leader of their party after he told a crowd of armed terrorists that they should go to the Capitol and "save" the country from the politicians who were busy certifying the results of an election. They did so after that same crowd stormed the Capitol building, replaced the American flag with a Trump flag, and proudly declared to the cameras that they were there for a "revolution." Kind of hard to know where the line is drawn between "declaring as your leader the man who advocates for a violent overthrow" and "advocating for a violent overthow."
  - benmmurphy 6y ago
    Trump never advocated for violent overthrow of the government.
ketamine__ 6y ago
Stripe hasn't been around that long. I'm sure they can find another payment processor. And if they can't, well, we all know Republicans don't trust filling out documents (i.e. ballots) when it isn't done in person. So perhaps the best solution is for supporters to drive to their local GOP office and hand deliver the cash.
JshWright 6y ago
The GOP is cool with bakers denying service to gay couples, so I assume they would be ok with that, right?

cpursley 6y ago

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. - Martin Niemöller

vecter 6y ago
First they came for the violent insurrectionists attempting a coup in the nation's capital to prevent the peaceful transition of power, and I was glad that they did. The end.
- cpursley 6y ago
  When you start regulating speech (a constantly moving target), there's very rarely a "the end".
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deepnotderp 6y ago

During Stalin’s purges engineers and scientists often claimed their rivals were anti communist to get ahead. This is how Sergei Korolev ended up in the gulag for a decade. Poor guy believed even in the gulag that Stalin was still good and in no way responsible.

staunch 6y ago

Absolutely, you should be worried. No court has ruled that Trump has done anything illegal. It is not even a proven fact that he is advocating for the violent overthrow of democracy in America. Properly run law courts make these decisions. It is not for you or me to decide. That is the definition of mob rule. Based on pressure from the public, a few powerful Tech Moguls have acted as judges within their private jurisdictions, which just so happen to encompass some of the most important infrastructure in the modern world. What if these Tech Moguls get it wrong, and start denying your tribe the services of the modern world? Anyone who thinks this issue is simple is confused. These are new problems of the modern world. Solving them probably requires new laws.

lazyjones 6y ago

Irony? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

dang 6y ago

You've been posting tons of political flamewar comments to HN, some of which have been egregious. I'm replying here because it's your most recent comment, not because it's the worst of what you've been doing on this site. We ban accounts that use HN primarily for political battle, regardless of which politics they're battling for. We have to, because otherwise this site won't survive for its intended purpose, which is intellectual curiosity. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stop doing this, we'd appreciate it.