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I am very concerned about the ease and speed with which they have been deplatformed. I am not a big fan of Parler, but I am a very big fan of free speech, and i

by mcherm 6y ago

I am very concerned about the ease and speed with which they have been deplatformed. I am not a big fan of Parler, but I am a very big fan of free speech, and if the various actors who have driven them out of business can act this quickly in this well-coordinated, what else could they decide to censor?

danhak 6y ago
The issue is that these platforms have grown to monopolistic or duopolistic size, NOT that a private company has the right to sever a business relationship. It’s an antitrust issue, not a free speech issue.
- dredmorbius 6y ago
  ¿Por que no los dos? But wait, there's more! - Monopoly / antitrust - Free speech - Sedition / insurrection - Property rights (of vendors) - Freedom of association (vendors) - National security - Incitement, accountability Interests and values require balancing. Some may weight more heavily than others.
tzs 6y ago
It wasn't quickly. Parler has been around for two years, and the kind of material that got them finally kicked out of places has been there from near the beginning. Parler's lack of moderation of user content has been in violation of Apple and Google's rules for all that time. I bet if someone had started a service similar to Parler but non-political, where people posted massive amounts of death threats and hate speech but directed at people for non-political reasons and that service utterly failed to moderate, Apple and Google and the rest would not have given them two years. They would have been gone in a week.
- DenisM 6y ago
  It’s an interesting hypothesis. I wonder if we can verify if. Are there really awful services out there? I’m think 4chan - do they have an app? And more to the point - would AWS and Stripe deplatform them?
  - bjtitus 6y ago
    Just a few examples of deplatforming situations: 8chan and Cloudflare: https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/04/cloudflare-will-stop-service-to-8chan-which-ceo-matthew-prince-describes-as-a-cesspool-of-hate/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/04/cloudflare-will-stop-servi... Daily Stormer by Cloudflare: https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/ In 2007, Verizon blocked a text message campaign from an abortion rights group: https://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/us/27verizon.html https://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/us/27verizon.html Similar kinds of censorship have, realistically, been going on for quite a while. IMO it's the monopolies which are now making it more of a concern. Deal with the anti-trust problem and everyone wins.

by mcherm 6y ago

danhak 6y ago

The issue is that these platforms have grown to monopolistic or duopolistic size, NOT that a private company has the right to sever a business relationship. It’s an antitrust issue, not a free speech issue.

dredmorbius 6y ago
¿Por que no los dos? But wait, there's more! - Monopoly / antitrust - Free speech - Sedition / insurrection - Property rights (of vendors) - Freedom of association (vendors) - National security - Incitement, accountability Interests and values require balancing. Some may weight more heavily than others.

tzs 6y ago

It wasn't quickly. Parler has been around for two years, and the kind of material that got them finally kicked out of places has been there from near the beginning. Parler's lack of moderation of user content has been in violation of Apple and Google's rules for all that time. I bet if someone had started a service similar to Parler but non-political, where people posted massive amounts of death threats and hate speech but directed at people for non-political reasons and that service utterly failed to moderate, Apple and Google and the rest would not have given them two years. They would have been gone in a week.

DenisM 6y ago
It’s an interesting hypothesis. I wonder if we can verify if. Are there really awful services out there? I’m think 4chan - do they have an app? And more to the point - would AWS and Stripe deplatform them?
- bjtitus 6y ago
  Just a few examples of deplatforming situations: 8chan and Cloudflare: https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/04/cloudflare-will-stop-service-to-8chan-which-ceo-matthew-prince-describes-as-a-cesspool-of-hate/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/08/04/cloudflare-will-stop-servi... Daily Stormer by Cloudflare: https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/ In 2007, Verizon blocked a text message campaign from an abortion rights group: https://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/us/27verizon.html https://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/us/27verizon.html Similar kinds of censorship have, realistically, been going on for quite a while. IMO it's the monopolies which are now making it more of a concern. Deal with the anti-trust problem and everyone wins.