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How about we attempt to understand why people are thinking this way. Why are they not interested in thinking your way? What can be done to help both side talk a

How about we attempt to understand why people are thinking this way. Why are they not interested in thinking your way? What can be done to help both side talk and solve problems together?

gameswithgo 6y ago
we absolutely need to do all of that. but when i talk my parlerish side of the family it usually starts with them saying “if we hadn’t ended segregation we wouldn’t have these problems” and i don’t know what path to take from there
- loopz 6y ago
  Sometimes people just need you to listen. Though it's ill adviced to agree with wild conspiracy theories, after a long discussion normal human beings tend to agree on something together, especially if not arguing.
albatruss 6y ago
Mutual understanding is a great idea. It is outside the job expectations of the people pulling the plug on their technical infrastructure.
dontblink 6y ago
No. The time has passed when it crossed into violence. We should do here what the Germans did to Nazi groups after the war. Ban them.
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  You are kinda overlooking the fact that we haven't had the war yet.
  - Traster 6y ago
    Appeasement was quite a famous issue in WW2.
    - Fjolsvith 6y ago
      So were bullets.
  - FlyMoreRockets 6y ago
    If we use the wisdom history provides, we don't need to have the war.
    - loopz 6y ago
      Wisdom may go beyond just banning everything "we" don't like. That gets old after a while.
christiansakai 6y ago
It is impossible. Especially for the far right and far left. Go into subreddits just to see the difference. I used to think like that too, and then seeing the actual reality its just disappointing. When Trump said that he can shoot someone at 5th avenue and his supporters will support him, that's real. Thankfully majority of people are not far left far right, but center.
inefficient 6y ago
Sure. I can help with this. I was actually discussing this earlier. The economy has been shit for middle class Americans for quite a while. Rent and home prices have been increasing far faster than wages. Furthermore, lots more nickel and diming has led to more debt and misery for the average middle american. The situation is even worse for people lower than that. However, especially for lower middle class white Americans, they aren't too far removed from a time when that was enough to have an OK life. So they remember or have heard about it. And they are unhappy. And for a while we were working on fixing that unhappiness. But then some people came along and said something different. They said that those other people over there are the reason for your unhappiness. If it weren't for them things would be better. They are your enemy. And they've been doing this for decades now. And things were getting more tense. Then (probably with a little outside help) someone else came along and really encouraged ramping up that anger. And said all the right things. And said if we just take over, we'll be able to make it right this time. And so many people believed this that they didn't really stop what that actually meant. This may seem like I'm just BSing here, but I'm not. It's the same technique used by gangs, cults, and neo-nazi's. They target the young, naive, and emotionally frail. And they promise companionship and strength. And for people that feel alone and left behind, that is enough. They don't need to be dumb or evil. Just a little broken. And then the evil ones come in and take advantage. But if you haven't ever seen how difficult it is to help someone recover from being in a cult or a neo-nazi gang... then you wouldn't realize how hard it is to deal with these groups.
- listenallyall 6y ago
  > for a while we were working on fixing that unhappiness who is "we" in this statement? and how were the things from your first paragraph being "fixed"?
Traster 6y ago
I think you should go to one of these forums - parler or gab, currently /r/conspiracy, or one of the similar. Try to have a reasoned conversation with them. I really genuinely want more people to do that. Because when you do that you very quickly start to understand there is no reason. On the 5th of January, you would've heard them loudly preach that the 6th will be the "reckoning" the "true patriots" would "rise up" that Italygate was an explosive new revelation. Joe Biden had finally been caught in their trap, that and finally Trump would make his move under executive order blah blah blah. On the 7th of January you would've seen them loudly declaring that antifa undercover agents stormed the capitol to discredit them - despite the fact that storming the capitol is literally what they had been advocating on the 5th. Everything they claimed to want on the 5th was actually a setup to discredit them on the 7th. There is no logic, there is no consistency, there is only claiming whatever is expedient at the time.
- loopz 6y ago
  Sounds like a sort of social psychosis, lead by psychopaths in lead positions, or anonymous anarchy. Point being humans experience pleasure at such fantastical thinking, especially when validated in a group setting, even online. In the beginning this can be powerful feelings, though more like addiction and craving over time. Anyways, that was a brief attempt to grok "crazytalk".
- flukus 6y ago
  > I think you should go to one of these forums - parler or gab, currently /r/conspiracy, or one of the similar. Try to have a reasoned conversation with them You'll be banned pretty quickly, they really don't care about free speech, only their speech.
  - 24gttghh 6y ago
    Indeed, and time should not be wasted on those who argue in bad faith.

How about we attempt to understand why people are thinking this way. Why are they not interested in thinking your way? What can be done to help both side talk and solve problems together?

gameswithgo 6y ago

we absolutely need to do all of that. but when i talk my parlerish side of the family it usually starts with them saying “if we hadn’t ended segregation we wouldn’t have these problems” and i don’t know what path to take from there

loopz 6y ago
Sometimes people just need you to listen. Though it's ill adviced to agree with wild conspiracy theories, after a long discussion normal human beings tend to agree on something together, especially if not arguing.

albatruss 6y ago

Mutual understanding is a great idea. It is outside the job expectations of the people pulling the plug on their technical infrastructure.

dontblink 6y ago

No. The time has passed when it crossed into violence. We should do here what the Germans did to Nazi groups after the war. Ban them.

Fjolsvith 6y ago
You are kinda overlooking the fact that we haven't had the war yet.
- Traster 6y ago
  Appeasement was quite a famous issue in WW2.
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    So were bullets.
- FlyMoreRockets 6y ago
  If we use the wisdom history provides, we don't need to have the war.
  - loopz 6y ago
    Wisdom may go beyond just banning everything "we" don't like. That gets old after a while.

christiansakai 6y ago

It is impossible. Especially for the far right and far left. Go into subreddits just to see the difference. I used to think like that too, and then seeing the actual reality its just disappointing. When Trump said that he can shoot someone at 5th avenue and his supporters will support him, that's real. Thankfully majority of people are not far left far right, but center.

inefficient 6y ago

Sure. I can help with this. I was actually discussing this earlier. The economy has been shit for middle class Americans for quite a while. Rent and home prices have been increasing far faster than wages. Furthermore, lots more nickel and diming has led to more debt and misery for the average middle american. The situation is even worse for people lower than that. However, especially for lower middle class white Americans, they aren't too far removed from a time when that was enough to have an OK life. So they remember or have heard about it. And they are unhappy. And for a while we were working on fixing that unhappiness. But then some people came along and said something different. They said that those other people over there are the reason for your unhappiness. If it weren't for them things would be better. They are your enemy. And they've been doing this for decades now. And things were getting more tense. Then (probably with a little outside help) someone else came along and really encouraged ramping up that anger. And said all the right things. And said if we just take over, we'll be able to make it right this time. And so many people believed this that they didn't really stop what that actually meant. This may seem like I'm just BSing here, but I'm not. It's the same technique used by gangs, cults, and neo-nazi's. They target the young, naive, and emotionally frail. And they promise companionship and strength. And for people that feel alone and left behind, that is enough. They don't need to be dumb or evil. Just a little broken. And then the evil ones come in and take advantage. But if you haven't ever seen how difficult it is to help someone recover from being in a cult or a neo-nazi gang... then you wouldn't realize how hard it is to deal with these groups.

listenallyall 6y ago
> for a while we were working on fixing that unhappiness who is "we" in this statement? and how were the things from your first paragraph being "fixed"?

Traster 6y ago

I think you should go to one of these forums - parler or gab, currently /r/conspiracy, or one of the similar. Try to have a reasoned conversation with them. I really genuinely want more people to do that. Because when you do that you very quickly start to understand there is no reason. On the 5th of January, you would've heard them loudly preach that the 6th will be the "reckoning" the "true patriots" would "rise up" that Italygate was an explosive new revelation. Joe Biden had finally been caught in their trap, that and finally Trump would make his move under executive order blah blah blah. On the 7th of January you would've seen them loudly declaring that antifa undercover agents stormed the capitol to discredit them - despite the fact that storming the capitol is literally what they had been advocating on the 5th. Everything they claimed to want on the 5th was actually a setup to discredit them on the 7th. There is no logic, there is no consistency, there is only claiming whatever is expedient at the time.

loopz 6y ago
Sounds like a sort of social psychosis, lead by psychopaths in lead positions, or anonymous anarchy. Point being humans experience pleasure at such fantastical thinking, especially when validated in a group setting, even online. In the beginning this can be powerful feelings, though more like addiction and craving over time. Anyways, that was a brief attempt to grok "crazytalk".
flukus 6y ago
> I think you should go to one of these forums - parler or gab, currently /r/conspiracy, or one of the similar. Try to have a reasoned conversation with them You'll be banned pretty quickly, they really don't care about free speech, only their speech.
- 24gttghh 6y ago
  Indeed, and time should not be wasted on those who argue in bad faith.