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God forbid developers and companies try to make money off their work!

by voxl 6y ago

rowanG077 6y ago
The python language server does not cost any money.
- Camas 6y ago
  https://github.com/microsoft/pylance-release/issues/4#issuecomment-652555104 https://github.com/microsoft/pylance-release/issues/4#issuec... >Pylance [..] is planned to be included in proprietary service offerings.
  - rowanG077 6y ago
    That doesn't mean anything. There are many free pieces of software included in proprietary service offerings.
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ssivark 6y ago
As has been pointed out, Microsoft has been very heavily pushing for the language server approach with the argument that it simplifies the integration between {languages, editors} from M*N to M+N. That they would forbid their holy language server implementation from integrating with other editors exposes the perfidy at the heart of their advocacy. If they want to keep the extension proprietary and charge for the language server, that’s fine! But allow people to use it with whichever editor instead of forbidding it through the license. It’s wholly malicious to use a language server implementation to extend control to the editor landscape. This is exactly the kind of nonsense that got them in trouble in the 90s, in the first place.
ChuckNorris89 6y ago
Don't know why you're being downvoted. People pay for IDEs all the time since it benefits their productivity but seem to have a problem when Microsoft release free proprietary tools. Maybe someone can explain what the issue is because I don't see it.
- immigrantsheep 6y ago
  Because it's Microsoft so people here are always looking for problems. I never seen anyone mentioning that XCode isn't open source. Or Sublime Text for that matter.
  - oneplane 6y ago
    That's because those never were open source. Microsoft presented an open source editor, and an open source python language server, and an open source python checker, and then wants to replace those with closed source versions that you're not allowed to run anywhere else anymore.
    - immigrantsheep 6y ago
      And I'm sure you have other open source python language servers and open source python checkers for other open source editors. Nobody is locking you in here. Everyone is free to move to something else to write python.
      - oneplane 6y ago
        That completely misses the point here... it's not about having a facility, it's about a change in direction that people don't like.
- oneplane 6y ago
  It's because microsoft started to open source a lot of stuff and started a direction in which it sells services instead of simply licenses, and then bought the Python BDFL and cut off some projects that fall in line with the expectations of their offerings in the open source space so far.
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God forbid developers and companies try to make money off their work!

by voxl 6y ago

God forbid developers and companies try to make money off their work!

rowanG077 6y ago

The python language server does not cost any money.

Camas 6y ago
https://github.com/microsoft/pylance-release/issues/4#issuecomment-652555104 https://github.com/microsoft/pylance-release/issues/4#issuec... >Pylance [..] is planned to be included in proprietary service offerings.
- rowanG077 6y ago
  That doesn't mean anything. There are many free pieces of software included in proprietary service offerings.
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ssivark 6y ago

As has been pointed out, Microsoft has been very heavily pushing for the language server approach with the argument that it simplifies the integration between {languages, editors} from M*N to M+N. That they would forbid their holy language server implementation from integrating with other editors exposes the perfidy at the heart of their advocacy. If they want to keep the extension proprietary and charge for the language server, that’s fine! But allow people to use it with whichever editor instead of forbidding it through the license. It’s wholly malicious to use a language server implementation to extend control to the editor landscape. This is exactly the kind of nonsense that got them in trouble in the 90s, in the first place.

ChuckNorris89 6y ago

Don't know why you're being downvoted. People pay for IDEs all the time since it benefits their productivity but seem to have a problem when Microsoft release free proprietary tools. Maybe someone can explain what the issue is because I don't see it.

immigrantsheep 6y ago
Because it's Microsoft so people here are always looking for problems. I never seen anyone mentioning that XCode isn't open source. Or Sublime Text for that matter.
- oneplane 6y ago
  That's because those never were open source. Microsoft presented an open source editor, and an open source python language server, and an open source python checker, and then wants to replace those with closed source versions that you're not allowed to run anywhere else anymore.
  - immigrantsheep 6y ago
    And I'm sure you have other open source python language servers and open source python checkers for other open source editors. Nobody is locking you in here. Everyone is free to move to something else to write python.
    - oneplane 6y ago
      That completely misses the point here... it's not about having a facility, it's about a change in direction that people don't like.
oneplane 6y ago
It's because microsoft started to open source a lot of stuff and started a direction in which it sells services instead of simply licenses, and then bought the Python BDFL and cut off some projects that fall in line with the expectations of their offerings in the open source space so far.

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