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sex work should be legalized and regulated, just like marijuana. sex work and porn has been a reality since the beginning of time, and making it "illegal" and l

by kbar13 6y ago

sex work should be legalized and regulated, just like marijuana. sex work and porn has been a reality since the beginning of time, and making it "illegal" and letting it fester in dark corners is unhealthy. without proper education, acceptance, and oversight, it encourages predatory behavior and other mental health issues like porn addiction. you don't have to think "porn is good" or "prostitution is good" to acknowledge that it is something that a large % of men consume and protect workers and consumers. we know that alcohol and drugs are bad, but they're legal and regulators do try to educate and protect the public. why not have the same for sex work?

cathyreisenwitz 6y ago
Sex workers prefer decrim to regulation because regulation ends up creating a white market dominated by a few anti-competitive players and a vast black market with all the existing problems.
- elliekelly 6y ago
  Source?
  - pdkl95 6y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DZfUzxZ2VU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DZfUzxZ2VU Both the video for interviews and the bibliography links in the description.
    - elliekelly 6y ago
      Surely you’re joking. Is this person a sex worker? Or do they have any qualifications to speak on the subject of sex work? Because it seems like a channel dedicated to alt-right/far-right talking points and I don’t consider a Steve Bannon superfan to be an authoritative speaker on the topic of what sex workers want when it comes to their safety.
      - Toxic_Handcuff 6y ago
        Philosophy Tube is a left wing Youtube channel, what are you talking about?
      - pdkl95 6y ago
        > Surely you’re joking. 100% serious. > Is this person a sex worker? He's a philosopher with an acting day job. Did you miss where I said "the video for interviews"? The video contains an interview with a sex worker and many short comments by people working in various parts of the sex industry. > Or do they have any qualifications to speak on the subject of sex work? He has a degree in philosophy, which is why he mainly discusses the logical implications of various topics. For actual opinions on sex work, he interviews people with first hand knowledge. I also mentioned the presence of a bibliography in the video description. > seems like a channel dedicated to alt-right/far-right talking points Where did you get that idea? Philosophy Tube is very strongly on the left. The most popular video on the channel is a very good introduction to antifa. > a Steve Bannon superfan LOL - The 2nd most popular video on the channel[1] - which I recommend watching - focuses on explaining how Steve Bannon lies, and a warning about how Bannon's rhetoric will eventually lead people into fascism. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO6uD3c2qMo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO6uD3c2qMo
snarfy 6y ago
It's America. Having sex outside of marriage is a sin while water is turned to wine.
sweeneyrod 6y ago
The porn that has existed since the dawn of time (I guess cave paintings) is qualitatively different from PornHub content. Arguably even there is even a qualitative difference from the situation even 15 years ago. Then, very few 10-year-olds would have had access to unlimited amounts of high definition hardcore porn; now probably the majority in developed countries can.
- LatteLazy 6y ago
  200 years ago, those 10 year olds would have seen their parents at it pretty regularly. 2000 years ago, they'd have seen everyone in the tribe with their partners.
  - sushid 6y ago
    Are you sure about that? Your claim is that folks during the Enlightenment just regularly wanted into their parents having sex. And moreover you're equating porn to walking in your parents. And you're saying people in ancient Rome saw everyone in their "tribe" going at it? You do realize that humans weren't cavemen 2000 years ago, right? Ancient Rome/China/etc. had prostitutes and brothels 2000 years ago.
    - LatteLazy 6y ago
      Folks during the enlightenment were mostly illiterate peasants. Try keeping your sex life a secret when you, your brother, your wives, your parents and 6 kids/orphans all share 1 hut with a single room. Back in Rome, life was again one room, all share 1 bed etc for most people. Add to that a few examples from their public activity: The poisoner Locusta (the world's first serial killer supposedly) was executed by being raped to death by a specially trained giraffe. Half their pottery is people being killed, the other half is sex scenes. Seriously. You think kids there didn't know what sex looked like? I don't know why people are shocked by this. It was the Victorians that brought in both the idea of privacy and the idea that sex was sinful and people should hide it. If you're going to argue for more restrictions on porn, you need to argue from first principles and evidence. You can't harken back to an imaginary time when no one knew where babies came from until the priest told them on their wedding night...
WhyNotHugo 6y ago
> you don't have to think "porn is good" or "prostitution is good" to acknowledge that it is something that a large % of men consume and protect workers and consumers. Exactly. Law making isn't about philosophical discussions of good vs evil. It should be about "what's the best way to improve life for people in the real world".

by kbar13 6y ago

cathyreisenwitz 6y ago

Sex workers prefer decrim to regulation because regulation ends up creating a white market dominated by a few anti-competitive players and a vast black market with all the existing problems.

elliekelly 6y ago
Source?
- pdkl95 6y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DZfUzxZ2VU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DZfUzxZ2VU Both the video for interviews and the bibliography links in the description.
  - elliekelly 6y ago
    Surely you’re joking. Is this person a sex worker? Or do they have any qualifications to speak on the subject of sex work? Because it seems like a channel dedicated to alt-right/far-right talking points and I don’t consider a Steve Bannon superfan to be an authoritative speaker on the topic of what sex workers want when it comes to their safety.
    - Toxic_Handcuff 6y ago
      Philosophy Tube is a left wing Youtube channel, what are you talking about?
    - pdkl95 6y ago
      > Surely you’re joking. 100% serious. > Is this person a sex worker? He's a philosopher with an acting day job. Did you miss where I said "the video for interviews"? The video contains an interview with a sex worker and many short comments by people working in various parts of the sex industry. > Or do they have any qualifications to speak on the subject of sex work? He has a degree in philosophy, which is why he mainly discusses the logical implications of various topics. For actual opinions on sex work, he interviews people with first hand knowledge. I also mentioned the presence of a bibliography in the video description. > seems like a channel dedicated to alt-right/far-right talking points Where did you get that idea? Philosophy Tube is very strongly on the left. The most popular video on the channel is a very good introduction to antifa. > a Steve Bannon superfan LOL - The 2nd most popular video on the channel[1] - which I recommend watching - focuses on explaining how Steve Bannon lies, and a warning about how Bannon's rhetoric will eventually lead people into fascism. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO6uD3c2qMo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO6uD3c2qMo

snarfy 6y ago

It's America. Having sex outside of marriage is a sin while water is turned to wine.

sweeneyrod 6y ago

The porn that has existed since the dawn of time (I guess cave paintings) is qualitatively different from PornHub content. Arguably even there is even a qualitative difference from the situation even 15 years ago. Then, very few 10-year-olds would have had access to unlimited amounts of high definition hardcore porn; now probably the majority in developed countries can.

LatteLazy 6y ago
200 years ago, those 10 year olds would have seen their parents at it pretty regularly. 2000 years ago, they'd have seen everyone in the tribe with their partners.
- sushid 6y ago
  Are you sure about that? Your claim is that folks during the Enlightenment just regularly wanted into their parents having sex. And moreover you're equating porn to walking in your parents. And you're saying people in ancient Rome saw everyone in their "tribe" going at it? You do realize that humans weren't cavemen 2000 years ago, right? Ancient Rome/China/etc. had prostitutes and brothels 2000 years ago.
  - LatteLazy 6y ago
    Folks during the enlightenment were mostly illiterate peasants. Try keeping your sex life a secret when you, your brother, your wives, your parents and 6 kids/orphans all share 1 hut with a single room. Back in Rome, life was again one room, all share 1 bed etc for most people. Add to that a few examples from their public activity: The poisoner Locusta (the world's first serial killer supposedly) was executed by being raped to death by a specially trained giraffe. Half their pottery is people being killed, the other half is sex scenes. Seriously. You think kids there didn't know what sex looked like? I don't know why people are shocked by this. It was the Victorians that brought in both the idea of privacy and the idea that sex was sinful and people should hide it. If you're going to argue for more restrictions on porn, you need to argue from first principles and evidence. You can't harken back to an imaginary time when no one knew where babies came from until the priest told them on their wedding night...

WhyNotHugo 6y ago

> you don't have to think "porn is good" or "prostitution is good" to acknowledge that it is something that a large % of men consume and protect workers and consumers. Exactly. Law making isn't about philosophical discussions of good vs evil. It should be about "what's the best way to improve life for people in the real world".