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It would really be ideal if some of these sex workers could get their own platform. Then they'll go after the platform infrastructure (AWS), or any other funda

It would really be ideal if some of these sex workers could get their own platform. Then they'll go after the platform infrastructure (AWS), or any other fundamental aspect. Peer pressure. We've been warning for ages: the Cancel Everyone game the NYT and others with very loud voices are playing is a dangerous one.

marcinzm 6y ago
OnlyFans seems to be having no issues. I do find it funny how "this site is filled with a lot of rape and child porn" is being framed as "it's being cancelled for no reason." No, there is a reason and other sites with better policies aren't being targeted.
- yiny123 6y ago
  There was a documentary earlier this year about how many underaged people were selling on Onlyfans. https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/5e7dad06-c48d-4509-b3e4-6a7a2783ce30 https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/5e7dad06-c48d-4509-b3... But there's a dark side: the documentary found evidence of the age verification process being circumvented, meaning under-18s were able to illegally sell explicit content of themselves on the site.
  - yarcob 6y ago
    16 year olds circumventing age verification to sell explicit content of themselves is a problem, but at least they are doing it voluntarily.
    - yiny123 6y ago
      Surely if a 16 year old can circumvent age verification then any criminal can. I understand nothing is perfect, my point was to show that any user generated platform faces the potential of illegal content being hosted.
- x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
  Pornhub was targeted not because of the content, but because it was by far the 800-lb gorilla in the room. Facebook has far more numerous instances of cheese pizza being thrown around but Facebook is a far more sympathetic entity than something with the name "Pornhub". The people who went after Pornhub were looking for any angle that would be palatable to the Left in a bid to remove adult material from the US landscape. There is a reason that they changed their name from Morality In Media to something else.
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago
  > I do find it funny how "this site is filled with a lot of rape and child porn" is being framed as "it's being cancelled for no reason." It's because this is the wrong way to deal with that issue. The fairly obviously correct way to do it is that you have law enforcement investigate instances of child pornography, arrest the creators for it, and then issue a court order to the hosting sites to remove the specific instances that they've found. The content gets removed. The correct people to go jail. If there was a mistake, the site and the uploader have standing to challenge the order. Who ever thought it was a good idea to turn websites into the police? It's not their job, they're bad at it, don't do that.
  - yarcob 6y ago
    According to the NY Times article, what you suggest is exactly what people have tried to do. However, according to the article, it was really hard to get Pornhub to remove illegal videos. And since videos could be downloaded and uploaded by anyone, removed videos quickly showed up on the website again and again. Sex abuse victims have been fighting for years to keep their videos off Pornhub, yet they show up again and again. Pornhub is the only one making money from the videos, so I do think it's their job to keep rape videos off the site. The police can't spend all their time making sure no anonymous users reupload illegal videos again and again.
    - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
      > However, according to the article, it was really hard to get Pornhub to remove illegal videos. You're saying that if you go to them with a court order, they don't comply with it? So then have the court find them in contempt. This requires no involvement from Visa or Mastercard. > And since videos could be downloaded and uploaded by anyone, removed videos quickly showed up on the website again and again. How are they supposed to know it's the same video? Compare every video to every other one? The uploader would presumably just reencode the video or make whatever other changes to evade an automated system, and a manual system is infeasible. And no matter what Pornhub does, there are six quintillion porn hosting sites on the internet and it would just end up on a different one. The correct answer is for the police to investigate who is continuing to upload them and impose penalties. Then no more uploads, no more video.
- TheOperator 6y ago
  Not only "It's filled with rape and child porn" but "It's filled with rape and child porn and revenge porn that pornhub tacitly tolerates by ignoring removal requests"

marcinzm 6y ago

OnlyFans seems to be having no issues. I do find it funny how "this site is filled with a lot of rape and child porn" is being framed as "it's being cancelled for no reason." No, there is a reason and other sites with better policies aren't being targeted.

yiny123 6y ago
There was a documentary earlier this year about how many underaged people were selling on Onlyfans. https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/5e7dad06-c48d-4509-b3e4-6a7a2783ce30 https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/5e7dad06-c48d-4509-b3... But there's a dark side: the documentary found evidence of the age verification process being circumvented, meaning under-18s were able to illegally sell explicit content of themselves on the site.
- yarcob 6y ago
  16 year olds circumventing age verification to sell explicit content of themselves is a problem, but at least they are doing it voluntarily.
  - yiny123 6y ago
    Surely if a 16 year old can circumvent age verification then any criminal can. I understand nothing is perfect, my point was to show that any user generated platform faces the potential of illegal content being hosted.
x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
Pornhub was targeted not because of the content, but because it was by far the 800-lb gorilla in the room. Facebook has far more numerous instances of cheese pizza being thrown around but Facebook is a far more sympathetic entity than something with the name "Pornhub". The people who went after Pornhub were looking for any angle that would be palatable to the Left in a bid to remove adult material from the US landscape. There is a reason that they changed their name from Morality In Media to something else.
AnthonyMouse 6y ago
> I do find it funny how "this site is filled with a lot of rape and child porn" is being framed as "it's being cancelled for no reason." It's because this is the wrong way to deal with that issue. The fairly obviously correct way to do it is that you have law enforcement investigate instances of child pornography, arrest the creators for it, and then issue a court order to the hosting sites to remove the specific instances that they've found. The content gets removed. The correct people to go jail. If there was a mistake, the site and the uploader have standing to challenge the order. Who ever thought it was a good idea to turn websites into the police? It's not their job, they're bad at it, don't do that.
- yarcob 6y ago
  According to the NY Times article, what you suggest is exactly what people have tried to do. However, according to the article, it was really hard to get Pornhub to remove illegal videos. And since videos could be downloaded and uploaded by anyone, removed videos quickly showed up on the website again and again. Sex abuse victims have been fighting for years to keep their videos off Pornhub, yet they show up again and again. Pornhub is the only one making money from the videos, so I do think it's their job to keep rape videos off the site. The police can't spend all their time making sure no anonymous users reupload illegal videos again and again.
  - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
    > However, according to the article, it was really hard to get Pornhub to remove illegal videos. You're saying that if you go to them with a court order, they don't comply with it? So then have the court find them in contempt. This requires no involvement from Visa or Mastercard. > And since videos could be downloaded and uploaded by anyone, removed videos quickly showed up on the website again and again. How are they supposed to know it's the same video? Compare every video to every other one? The uploader would presumably just reencode the video or make whatever other changes to evade an automated system, and a manual system is infeasible. And no matter what Pornhub does, there are six quintillion porn hosting sites on the internet and it would just end up on a different one. The correct answer is for the police to investigate who is continuing to upload them and impose penalties. Then no more uploads, no more video.
TheOperator 6y ago
Not only "It's filled with rape and child porn" but "It's filled with rape and child porn and revenge porn that pornhub tacitly tolerates by ignoring removal requests"