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I started using the term "nuclear" once Amazon Cloud Services decided to terminate the Parler web server hosting. If internet service providers can shut down s

I started using the term "nuclear" once Amazon Cloud Services decided to terminate the Parler web server hosting. If internet service providers can shut down speech they disagree with, by going after the servers, then we're no longer living in a democracy.

jv22222 6y ago
I “think” that’s a false equivalency because democracy is the government and private companies are something different.
antris 6y ago
>If internet service providers can shut down speech they disagree with, by going after the servers, then we're no longer living in a democracy. You present this as if Parler is being shut down because people there have the wrong opinion on tax rates. People on Parler are planning violent fascist overthrow of government, which is illegal. Why would Amazon be obligated to host sites that cater to terrorists?
- WClayFerguson 6y ago
  The social media purge began long before Parler even existed. Yes people are getting banned from Twitter for life for having the wrong political opinions. It you deny that everyone knows you're either dishonest or uninformed. People on the left are allowed to call for violence and say all kinds of racist things hate filled things, but if someone on the right even says something like "There are only two sexes" that's enough to get banned for life. The only reason the democrats all deny the existence of any double-standard is because MSM and BigTech happen to be in their tribe, so they all dare not call out one of their own.
  - antris 6y ago
    "BigTech has gone nuclear with censorship" immediately after a coup attempt is a wildly different statement than "there is a long-running political double standard that exists in tech companies when it comes to enforcing their TOS". Should I take take it that you have conceded your previous statement? I would like to complete the discussion on the previous point before moving on to another topic of discussion.
    - WClayFerguson 6y ago
      Trump organized a demonstration. That's the American way of voicing political dissent. If a politician organizes a peaceful rally and violent people show up and do violent things, and you blame the politician for the violence, then I'm curious about something.... Do you hold the Democrats responsible for all the violence of 2020 when we had cities burning down, and the MSM saying things like "Who ever said protests had to be peaceful" The Democrats calling the capitol mob a "coup de tat attempt" is absolutely hilarious and just shows their complete lunacy in their attempt to vilify the other side, even when they're clearly just being absurd. It was a mob who were let into a building. Hell they didn't even damage any of the priceless paintings. If anyone's to blame is was the security who let the doors get breached when their job was to guard the building with machine guns.
      - jkepler 6y ago
        Do you have a source on the priceless paintings not being damaged? I heard otherwise.
        WClayFerguson 6y ago
        Well we know what would've happened if leftists were in the building and the tables were turned. The entire building would be smoldering ruins and the Democrats/MSM would be calling it "Mostly Peaceful"...with a straight face.
dmerks 6y ago
As far as I know, AWS is not an ISP-- it's a business, a bit like the one not selling cakes to homosexual individuals.
- antris 6y ago
  It's more akin to "no shirt no service". Parler can continue using Amazon if they moderate their platform, you can put on a shirt to get a cake. You cannot change your sexuality or skin color.
  - aquadrop 6y ago
    You can change your religion. Should amazon be able to tell to scram fx to some scientology church website hosting?
  - WClayFerguson 6y ago
    You can't moderate a platform if there's millions of people posting and only a handful of moderators. Remember, AT&T is also incapable of stopping criminals from conspiring using text/telephone messages...and based on your logic the Feds could just shut down AT&T and blame AT&T for being "complicit". No obviously that's moronic. Wake up and stop giving our rights away. Eventually you're going to loose your own.
djtriptych 6y ago
when the "speech" consists of active planning of mass violence it's obviously no longer protected. The whole point of Parler is to be a safe haven for speech that has already been banned elsewhere, for the same reason. It was doomed from the start.
- WClayFerguson 6y ago
  If you really believe the social media purge is about stopping violence then you've been hoodwinked. People who haven been watching this censorship battle for years know this is purely about taking down political adversaries.
  - djtriptych 6y ago
    Oh right "people". Forgot about them.

jv22222 6y ago

I “think” that’s a false equivalency because democracy is the government and private companies are something different.

antris 6y ago

>If internet service providers can shut down speech they disagree with, by going after the servers, then we're no longer living in a democracy. You present this as if Parler is being shut down because people there have the wrong opinion on tax rates. People on Parler are planning violent fascist overthrow of government, which is illegal. Why would Amazon be obligated to host sites that cater to terrorists?

WClayFerguson 6y ago
The social media purge began long before Parler even existed. Yes people are getting banned from Twitter for life for having the wrong political opinions. It you deny that everyone knows you're either dishonest or uninformed. People on the left are allowed to call for violence and say all kinds of racist things hate filled things, but if someone on the right even says something like "There are only two sexes" that's enough to get banned for life. The only reason the democrats all deny the existence of any double-standard is because MSM and BigTech happen to be in their tribe, so they all dare not call out one of their own.
- antris 6y ago
  "BigTech has gone nuclear with censorship" immediately after a coup attempt is a wildly different statement than "there is a long-running political double standard that exists in tech companies when it comes to enforcing their TOS". Should I take take it that you have conceded your previous statement? I would like to complete the discussion on the previous point before moving on to another topic of discussion.
  - WClayFerguson 6y ago
    Trump organized a demonstration. That's the American way of voicing political dissent. If a politician organizes a peaceful rally and violent people show up and do violent things, and you blame the politician for the violence, then I'm curious about something.... Do you hold the Democrats responsible for all the violence of 2020 when we had cities burning down, and the MSM saying things like "Who ever said protests had to be peaceful" The Democrats calling the capitol mob a "coup de tat attempt" is absolutely hilarious and just shows their complete lunacy in their attempt to vilify the other side, even when they're clearly just being absurd. It was a mob who were let into a building. Hell they didn't even damage any of the priceless paintings. If anyone's to blame is was the security who let the doors get breached when their job was to guard the building with machine guns.
    - jkepler 6y ago
      Do you have a source on the priceless paintings not being damaged? I heard otherwise.
      - WClayFerguson 6y ago
        Well we know what would've happened if leftists were in the building and the tables were turned. The entire building would be smoldering ruins and the Democrats/MSM would be calling it "Mostly Peaceful"...with a straight face.

dmerks 6y ago

As far as I know, AWS is not an ISP-- it's a business, a bit like the one not selling cakes to homosexual individuals.

antris 6y ago
It's more akin to "no shirt no service". Parler can continue using Amazon if they moderate their platform, you can put on a shirt to get a cake. You cannot change your sexuality or skin color.
- aquadrop 6y ago
  You can change your religion. Should amazon be able to tell to scram fx to some scientology church website hosting?
- WClayFerguson 6y ago
  You can't moderate a platform if there's millions of people posting and only a handful of moderators. Remember, AT&T is also incapable of stopping criminals from conspiring using text/telephone messages...and based on your logic the Feds could just shut down AT&T and blame AT&T for being "complicit". No obviously that's moronic. Wake up and stop giving our rights away. Eventually you're going to loose your own.

djtriptych 6y ago

when the "speech" consists of active planning of mass violence it's obviously no longer protected. The whole point of Parler is to be a safe haven for speech that has already been banned elsewhere, for the same reason. It was doomed from the start.

WClayFerguson 6y ago
If you really believe the social media purge is about stopping violence then you've been hoodwinked. People who haven been watching this censorship battle for years know this is purely about taking down political adversaries.
- djtriptych 6y ago
  Oh right "people". Forgot about them.