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I am no Apple fanatic. I'm a die-hard Linux user and open source proponent. I wouldn't touch the M1 with a thirty-nine and a half foot pole. But with all that

I am no Apple fanatic. I'm a die-hard Linux user and open source proponent. I wouldn't touch the M1 with a thirty-nine and a half foot pole. But with all that said... I kind of like articles like these. I enjoy seeing people happy with good tech because I like good tech. It pleases me that there are people getting this much enjoyment out of innovative and (I'll admit it) quite impressive hardware. So rock on, Apple fans. But when there's a Linux computer that is even a bit better, I hope you can tolerate me shouting from the rooftops, because you bet I will be!

fvv 6y ago
I feel the same and hope that moment will come in about 1.5y zen4 5nm ddr5 64gb ecc 2tb nvme linux laptop ..without having to trade my body parts to buy it :)
- aquir 6y ago
  Sounds awesome! Can you share what type of laptop are you using?
  - fvv 6y ago
    Right now it,s an xmg which is a seller of clevo probably i will remain with that because I can change parts without voiding warranty , my reseller leave me add rm and hdd of my choice after the sale, i can buy without hdd and ram.. aalso have swappable battery and even if touchpad may not be apple quality i usually use mouse or trackball , but with the next I'll take a look at what Lenovo, hp dell etc will offer by that time , about linux compatibility and drivers.. I'm quite sure is improving every year.. except for macbooks ;)
    - aquir 6y ago
      Thanks, I'll have a look!
    - inkyoto 6y ago
      Are you seriously comparing a gaming XMG Clevo laptop (I looked up the Clevo NH57ADS) that has been designed for the gaming crowd, that requires a 230W external power supply in a maxed out configuration, that is nearly 3x heavier and 3x thicker than a 13" MacBook Air ultraportable, more than 2.5x heavier and 2x thicker than a 13" MacBook Pro? I could not quickly find stats on the battery life for the latest and greatest Clevo NH57ADS, but – since they use a desktop CPU in it – I do not expect it to be that great. If I were to apply your logic, I could then declare that my POWER9 2U blade is a portable device ahem laptop (technically, I can carry it around as well as keep the blade on my laps, yes) that surpasses any other known laptop in terms of hardware configurability, and Linux compatibility will be even greater, too.
bouk 6y ago
I hope you get to experience that! My worst computer recently has been a Thinkpad running Linux, basic things like suspending the laptop when it closes just never work properly. But I'm sure the year of Linux on the desktop will come one day.
- fvv 6y ago
  I'm not experienced with thinkpad but I do have some laptops and desktop and in all of those suspension and hibernation works, require swap but even with zfs raid over luks layer with zil on pcie mounted optane on old ubuntu 18.04 things worked.. but i agree that on some hardware linux sometimes need patience :( hope that will change.. but probably to change linux need more love from desktop users ..
- xirbeosbwo1234 6y ago
  Which Thinkpad and which distro? I've always found them reliable, but I've only used ones from about 2012 and have stuck with Ubuntu.
- dingaling 6y ago
  Well at least on Linux someone has a chance at debugging the problem and devising a solution.
  - davewritescode 6y ago
    Technically you’re correct, your comment just begs the question: if it’s so easy to fix why hasn’t it been done? The answer is probably because to make things like sleep on lid close work, you’re probably going to need to know more about the hardware than manufacturers are going to make public.
- Tistel 6y ago
  I have been using Linux for a little over 20 years. I remarked a the start it did not sleep when it closed. My current laptop is also Linux and it still does not always sleep when I close it. I need to get up to speed on BSD or something.
vernie 6y ago
Are you keeping an eye on the Asahi Linux project or is the Apple hardware a non-starter?
7402 6y ago
The world is a better place when someone can disagree with another's opinion, and yet still take pleasure in their happiness.
Qub3d 6y ago
I'm definitely watching the space. Similar to how auto manufacturers are now all pivoting hard to electric following the insane tear of Tesla, I hope that this lights a fire under other computer hardware manufacturers. And the signs are there. Windows already has an arm64 build out, and Linux of course has dozens of projects working great on ARM. The software is largely ready, and the industry tends to copy Apple, for better or for worse. In this case, I'd say for the better.

fvv 6y ago

I feel the same and hope that moment will come in about 1.5y zen4 5nm ddr5 64gb ecc 2tb nvme linux laptop ..without having to trade my body parts to buy it :)

aquir 6y ago
Sounds awesome! Can you share what type of laptop are you using?
- fvv 6y ago
  Right now it,s an xmg which is a seller of clevo probably i will remain with that because I can change parts without voiding warranty , my reseller leave me add rm and hdd of my choice after the sale, i can buy without hdd and ram.. aalso have swappable battery and even if touchpad may not be apple quality i usually use mouse or trackball , but with the next I'll take a look at what Lenovo, hp dell etc will offer by that time , about linux compatibility and drivers.. I'm quite sure is improving every year.. except for macbooks ;)
  - aquir 6y ago
    Thanks, I'll have a look!
  - inkyoto 6y ago
    Are you seriously comparing a gaming XMG Clevo laptop (I looked up the Clevo NH57ADS) that has been designed for the gaming crowd, that requires a 230W external power supply in a maxed out configuration, that is nearly 3x heavier and 3x thicker than a 13" MacBook Air ultraportable, more than 2.5x heavier and 2x thicker than a 13" MacBook Pro? I could not quickly find stats on the battery life for the latest and greatest Clevo NH57ADS, but – since they use a desktop CPU in it – I do not expect it to be that great. If I were to apply your logic, I could then declare that my POWER9 2U blade is a portable device ahem laptop (technically, I can carry it around as well as keep the blade on my laps, yes) that surpasses any other known laptop in terms of hardware configurability, and Linux compatibility will be even greater, too.

bouk 6y ago

I hope you get to experience that! My worst computer recently has been a Thinkpad running Linux, basic things like suspending the laptop when it closes just never work properly. But I'm sure the year of Linux on the desktop will come one day.

fvv 6y ago
I'm not experienced with thinkpad but I do have some laptops and desktop and in all of those suspension and hibernation works, require swap but even with zfs raid over luks layer with zil on pcie mounted optane on old ubuntu 18.04 things worked.. but i agree that on some hardware linux sometimes need patience :( hope that will change.. but probably to change linux need more love from desktop users ..
xirbeosbwo1234 6y ago
Which Thinkpad and which distro? I've always found them reliable, but I've only used ones from about 2012 and have stuck with Ubuntu.
dingaling 6y ago
Well at least on Linux someone has a chance at debugging the problem and devising a solution.
- davewritescode 6y ago
  Technically you’re correct, your comment just begs the question: if it’s so easy to fix why hasn’t it been done? The answer is probably because to make things like sleep on lid close work, you’re probably going to need to know more about the hardware than manufacturers are going to make public.
Tistel 6y ago
I have been using Linux for a little over 20 years. I remarked a the start it did not sleep when it closed. My current laptop is also Linux and it still does not always sleep when I close it. I need to get up to speed on BSD or something.

vernie 6y ago

Are you keeping an eye on the Asahi Linux project or is the Apple hardware a non-starter?

7402 6y ago

The world is a better place when someone can disagree with another's opinion, and yet still take pleasure in their happiness.

Qub3d 6y ago

I'm definitely watching the space. Similar to how auto manufacturers are now all pivoting hard to electric following the insane tear of Tesla, I hope that this lights a fire under other computer hardware manufacturers. And the signs are there. Windows already has an arm64 build out, and Linux of course has dozens of projects working great on ARM. The software is largely ready, and the industry tends to copy Apple, for better or for worse. In this case, I'd say for the better.