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"Both sides are the same" People use this when they can no longer defend a position. It is easier to throw dirt than to clean a dirty side. "All politicians ar

"Both sides are the same" People use this when they can no longer defend a position. It is easier to throw dirt than to clean a dirty side. "All politicians are the same". No. Some are worse.

Enginerrrd 6y ago
That's not necessarily true. There are people, like myself, who often don't have a dog in the fight except that I look closely and skeptically at the tools and tactics being utilized and frequently ask myself: "Ok, but what if this were used in another way, or by the opposite side?" If the answer is that it's bad, then the means are objectively bad, and I oppose the use of those means. This, in a sense is itself a political stance, but its not that hard to learn to distance yourself from the immediate emotions of politics. Particularly when I started to see how ubiquitous the weaoponization of anger has become in the modern era.
- Craighead 6y ago
  You're stripping nuance and treating highly complicated situations like simple logical propositions thinking that inductive logic and reversing statements can attain an elevated understanding of the situation. In function you remain disconnected via privilege to the majority of implications of said issue, and self soothe by pretending that if others only had your level of enlightened understanding then there would be no issue.
fit2rule 6y ago
There are no sides.
bumbada 6y ago
Humans invented the Law, and it is the most objective thing that we have in order to know if someone does good or wrong. Humans are not objective, but in a big part subjective. First, humans belongs to groups. And it is a completely different thing if your own group abuses and benefits you, than if some other group abuses you and you lose. You only see dirt in one side. Of course the dirty side is not yours. "Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"
kbutler 6y ago
But there seems to be precious little effort spent improving one's own side (or even recognition of the failings of one's own side). It's just so much easier and politically and socially beneficial to demonize the others.

"Both sides are the same" People use this when they can no longer defend a position. It is easier to throw dirt than to clean a dirty side. "All politicians are the same". No. Some are worse.

Enginerrrd 6y ago

That's not necessarily true. There are people, like myself, who often don't have a dog in the fight except that I look closely and skeptically at the tools and tactics being utilized and frequently ask myself: "Ok, but what if this were used in another way, or by the opposite side?" If the answer is that it's bad, then the means are objectively bad, and I oppose the use of those means. This, in a sense is itself a political stance, but its not that hard to learn to distance yourself from the immediate emotions of politics. Particularly when I started to see how ubiquitous the weaoponization of anger has become in the modern era.

Craighead 6y ago
You're stripping nuance and treating highly complicated situations like simple logical propositions thinking that inductive logic and reversing statements can attain an elevated understanding of the situation. In function you remain disconnected via privilege to the majority of implications of said issue, and self soothe by pretending that if others only had your level of enlightened understanding then there would be no issue.

fit2rule 6y ago

There are no sides.

bumbada 6y ago

Humans invented the Law, and it is the most objective thing that we have in order to know if someone does good or wrong. Humans are not objective, but in a big part subjective. First, humans belongs to groups. And it is a completely different thing if your own group abuses and benefits you, than if some other group abuses you and you lose. You only see dirt in one side. Of course the dirty side is not yours. "Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"

kbutler 6y ago

But there seems to be precious little effort spent improving one's own side (or even recognition of the failings of one's own side). It's just so much easier and politically and socially beneficial to demonize the others.