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>It is even the best Windows PC The delusion is very strong here.

by soperj 6y ago

Hamuko 6y ago
Depends on what you prioritise. If you value silent operation and heaps of battery life, I imagine it is.
hombre_fatal 6y ago
Huh? Windows with WSL is such a bad experience that running Windows apps on Mac OS is far superior to me, even with Wine. I also think it's the best Linux machine. It's not very hard to do. Can we stop with the ridiculous condescension ("delusional") towards opinions we disagree with and make no effort to interpret charitably?
- webmobdev 6y ago
  When you say it is "the best Linux machine" with a straight face, I am sure it is hard not to invite such condescension! The M1 can barely run Linux on it, if at all.
  - dev_tty01 6y ago
    Just a guess on my part, but he may have meant "unix" and is using "Linux" incorrectly. Mac OS is a unix system. Linux has become so common that I have heard many people say Linux when they mean the more general term unix. Let's assume the best instead of the worst.
jeffbee 6y ago
Running Windows in a VM has long been more satisfactory in certain ways than running it on real hardware (for example, applying updates in a VM takes seconds instead of hours because the VM doesn't drop your block caches when it reboots). I can see why the author could be pleased with the outcome.
vmception 6y ago
Actually, I'm glad to see that the Windows virtualization work is moving so quickly. I would have skipped this article if I didn't see your cynicism about this very topic. Windows is just a "nice to have" for me, in the list of priorities, but not having it had been a deal breaker for that specific machine. now its not.
porcc 6y ago
https://youtu.be/OhESSZIXvCA?t=439 https://youtu.be/OhESSZIXvCA?t=439 windows in a VM outperforms windows PCs at the price point--plus like other commenters mention it comes with a native Unix shell
- mhh__ 6y ago
  > windows PCs at the price point £999 is a lot of PC. The processor in the M1 air is about 20% faster than the one in my laptop (£550 IIRC), but to spec an M1 out with the same amount of storage and RAM brings it to £1999.
- kcb 6y ago
  It outperforms that specific Qualcomm soc. Not Windows PCs as a whole in that price point.
neogodless 6y ago
"Delusion" may be too strong a word here, but "ignorance" is almost certainly not. Though to be sure, "PC" means "personal computer" and for this individual it might be the exact best experience they could have running Windows. It just isn't for a great deal of other people because they value different things. I value GPU power, installing Steam, Battle.net (with maxed out settings), ~15" screens and a few other things that make my HP Omen 15 the best Windows laptop I've ever owned. And I value selecting and assembling my own components, performance value, tricked out RGB lighting and large high resolution external monitors, so my custom desktop is the best Windows desktop I've ever owned. But I certainly don't get the mobility or battery life of an M1 Macbook. So if you value those things highly enough, you may get a better Windows PC experience on one.
dang 6y ago
Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments to HN and please omit name-calling. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

>It is even the best Windows PC The delusion is very strong here.

by soperj 6y ago

>It is even the best Windows PC The delusion is very strong here.

Hamuko 6y ago

Depends on what you prioritise. If you value silent operation and heaps of battery life, I imagine it is.

hombre_fatal 6y ago

Huh? Windows with WSL is such a bad experience that running Windows apps on Mac OS is far superior to me, even with Wine. I also think it's the best Linux machine. It's not very hard to do. Can we stop with the ridiculous condescension ("delusional") towards opinions we disagree with and make no effort to interpret charitably?

webmobdev 6y ago
When you say it is "the best Linux machine" with a straight face, I am sure it is hard not to invite such condescension! The M1 can barely run Linux on it, if at all.
- dev_tty01 6y ago
  Just a guess on my part, but he may have meant "unix" and is using "Linux" incorrectly. Mac OS is a unix system. Linux has become so common that I have heard many people say Linux when they mean the more general term unix. Let's assume the best instead of the worst.

jeffbee 6y ago

Running Windows in a VM has long been more satisfactory in certain ways than running it on real hardware (for example, applying updates in a VM takes seconds instead of hours because the VM doesn't drop your block caches when it reboots). I can see why the author could be pleased with the outcome.

vmception 6y ago

Actually, I'm glad to see that the Windows virtualization work is moving so quickly. I would have skipped this article if I didn't see your cynicism about this very topic. Windows is just a "nice to have" for me, in the list of priorities, but not having it had been a deal breaker for that specific machine. now its not.

porcc 6y ago

https://youtu.be/OhESSZIXvCA?t=439 https://youtu.be/OhESSZIXvCA?t=439 windows in a VM outperforms windows PCs at the price point--plus like other commenters mention it comes with a native Unix shell

mhh__ 6y ago
> windows PCs at the price point £999 is a lot of PC. The processor in the M1 air is about 20% faster than the one in my laptop (£550 IIRC), but to spec an M1 out with the same amount of storage and RAM brings it to £1999.
kcb 6y ago
It outperforms that specific Qualcomm soc. Not Windows PCs as a whole in that price point.

neogodless 6y ago

"Delusion" may be too strong a word here, but "ignorance" is almost certainly not. Though to be sure, "PC" means "personal computer" and for this individual it might be the exact best experience they could have running Windows. It just isn't for a great deal of other people because they value different things. I value GPU power, installing Steam, Battle.net (with maxed out settings), ~15" screens and a few other things that make my HP Omen 15 the best Windows laptop I've ever owned. And I value selecting and assembling my own components, performance value, tricked out RGB lighting and large high resolution external monitors, so my custom desktop is the best Windows desktop I've ever owned. But I certainly don't get the mobility or battery life of an M1 Macbook. So if you value those things highly enough, you may get a better Windows PC experience on one.

dang 6y ago

Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments to HN and please omit name-calling. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html