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IME, the network of AWS is much better than that of DO, Linode.

by ithrow 6y ago

dilyevsky 6y ago
How so?
- ithrow 6y ago
  Less hiccups and downtime. It's faster and with better latency to other third party services. Superior internal control. Ex: In, linode a private IP address gives EVERYONE on the same data center access to your Linode server. Also, last time I used them they didn't have a Firewall.
  - dilyevsky 6y ago
    Right linode is basically old school dedicated servers afaik but DO should be in different class
    - dijit 6y ago
      AWS networking isn't _great_ but it's decidedly better than DO (which is actually the worst of those listed based on my own TCP connection tests). Linode is pretty stable if not very exciting, Vultr is "better than DO", but their networks are almost always in maintenance. For a little context; I maintain IRC servers and those are currently hosted in vultr (with linked nodes in 5 regions), I notice ping spikes between those nodes often and sometimes congestion which drops users. (IRC is highly stateful TCP sessions). I've only known two truly good networking suppliers, GCP (and their magic BGP<->PoP<->Dark Fibre networks) and.. Tilaa.. (which is only hosted in Netherlands.. which is why I can't use them for my global network)
      - dilyevsky 6y ago
        Awesome thanks for info. For gcp i notice occasional unavailability on the order of 10s of mins every quarter or so. That’s VM networking. Their loadbalancers are a different story as they are a complete crap
        dijit 6y ago
        This is very much not my experience, do you have any more information? Any particular regions? Are you certain it's not a local ISP? (I used to run an always online video game and we had a LOOOOOT of connection issues from "Spectrum internet" on all of our servers including GCP ones.)
      - dilyevsky 6y ago
        Answering here bc bottom post is locked for some reason - east1 occasionally disconnects from other regions. That is definitely within google backbone. Central-1 seems worse tho. If it’s less than an hour they dont bother with the status page. For loadbalancer its very much by design as they randomly send you rst when google rolls them for upgrade and in some other cases (I’m working on a blog post on this). Google support recommendation is to retry (foreals)
  - tgtweak 6y ago
    Internally maybe, but AWS external connectivity is so shakey I wonder if it's intentional. From a cisco ASA firewall to AWS vpg - there is weekly and even daily issues with things either plain timing out or experiencing latency spiking on AWS side. Cisco is not a small vendor or use case for creating a vpn bridge. We moved from this to cloudconnect - essentially a network connection directly to aws. Same instability issues only they moved to weekly/monthly instead of daily/weekly. This was from a provider that had fiber to AWS. I will also say that when putting particular load on AWS's internal services from a single ec2 instance you can often see requests that fail (s3 being the one I see the most). I can't speak on the merits or lack thereof on Linode, but I will say vultr and DO have - by comparision to AWS - leagues better public wan stability. I've had ssh sessions open for months on both and that includes to some POPs in europe. I'm comparing AWS which is <20ms away to something overseas... for reference that's about 20 additional hops and trans-atlantic fiber in between.

IME, the network of AWS is much better than that of DO, Linode.

by ithrow 6y ago

IME, the network of AWS is much better than that of DO, Linode.

dilyevsky 6y ago

How so?

ithrow 6y ago
Less hiccups and downtime. It's faster and with better latency to other third party services. Superior internal control. Ex: In, linode a private IP address gives EVERYONE on the same data center access to your Linode server. Also, last time I used them they didn't have a Firewall.
- dilyevsky 6y ago
  Right linode is basically old school dedicated servers afaik but DO should be in different class
  - dijit 6y ago
    AWS networking isn't _great_ but it's decidedly better than DO (which is actually the worst of those listed based on my own TCP connection tests). Linode is pretty stable if not very exciting, Vultr is "better than DO", but their networks are almost always in maintenance. For a little context; I maintain IRC servers and those are currently hosted in vultr (with linked nodes in 5 regions), I notice ping spikes between those nodes often and sometimes congestion which drops users. (IRC is highly stateful TCP sessions). I've only known two truly good networking suppliers, GCP (and their magic BGP<->PoP<->Dark Fibre networks) and.. Tilaa.. (which is only hosted in Netherlands.. which is why I can't use them for my global network)
    - dilyevsky 6y ago
      Awesome thanks for info. For gcp i notice occasional unavailability on the order of 10s of mins every quarter or so. That’s VM networking. Their loadbalancers are a different story as they are a complete crap
      - dijit 6y ago
        This is very much not my experience, do you have any more information? Any particular regions? Are you certain it's not a local ISP? (I used to run an always online video game and we had a LOOOOOT of connection issues from "Spectrum internet" on all of our servers including GCP ones.)
    - dilyevsky 6y ago
      Answering here bc bottom post is locked for some reason - east1 occasionally disconnects from other regions. That is definitely within google backbone. Central-1 seems worse tho. If it’s less than an hour they dont bother with the status page. For loadbalancer its very much by design as they randomly send you rst when google rolls them for upgrade and in some other cases (I’m working on a blog post on this). Google support recommendation is to retry (foreals)
- tgtweak 6y ago
  Internally maybe, but AWS external connectivity is so shakey I wonder if it's intentional. From a cisco ASA firewall to AWS vpg - there is weekly and even daily issues with things either plain timing out or experiencing latency spiking on AWS side. Cisco is not a small vendor or use case for creating a vpn bridge. We moved from this to cloudconnect - essentially a network connection directly to aws. Same instability issues only they moved to weekly/monthly instead of daily/weekly. This was from a provider that had fiber to AWS. I will also say that when putting particular load on AWS's internal services from a single ec2 instance you can often see requests that fail (s3 being the one I see the most). I can't speak on the merits or lack thereof on Linode, but I will say vultr and DO have - by comparision to AWS - leagues better public wan stability. I've had ssh sessions open for months on both and that includes to some POPs in europe. I'm comparing AWS which is <20ms away to something overseas... for reference that's about 20 additional hops and trans-atlantic fiber in between.