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Far as I can tell, matrix needs to focus harder on the user experience. It was a pain to get set up on.

by generalizations 6y ago

kitkat_new 6y ago
was? Find it pretty easy nowadays (well - you need to create an account)
kubanczyk 6y ago
I've installed Element on Android last week and created a fresh matrix.org account. No tech skills required so far.
- SAI_Peregrinus 6y ago
  I just tried it (new account) to see. Downloaded client on Windows. Fine. Installed fine. Hit the button to make an account, everything went fine. It sent a verification email. I clicked the link. It said "something" was wrong with my setup. I JUST installed it, with the default options. On a hunch, I went back to the client, and was able to log in. The failure message was entirely spurious. If I hadn't been tech savvy I likely would have been scared off and not bothered, assuming it was just broken.
- johnchristopher 6y ago
  Cool. Now get 5 friends of yours to join you in a crypted room with each using a phone and then a browser, wait two days, get back to it and manage all the insecure session notices. Beware, they removed the warning from the android client though. It confused people.
  - kitkat_new 6y ago
    are you talking about the gray shield?
    - johnchristopher 6y ago
      I am talking about the insecure session red warnings in the room details and the notices aside messages of untrusted/unverified/forgotten session.
      - kitkat_new 6y ago
        you shouldn't see any of those unless you verify one of your friends; or you mess up your own devices
      - remirk 6y ago
        That is only the case when you have verified your friends keys (by qr code or emoji string). When one of your friends account is hijacked and has someone snooping on messages, you'd want to know that. Though I see it might be confusing at first for users to understand that they have to sign their devices. Currently, you have to login with a username/password and afterwards (optionaly) get one of your other devices to sign your new device. Which the UI does clearly ask you to do though.
        johnchristopher 6y ago
        No, no, no. I have been toying my own Matrix instance and I registered 2 users that I played with, exchanging pictures and messages. There were some glitches in the UI that insiste on flagging some sessions as insecure even though I verified every session. Sometimes it got resolved all on its own, sometimes it stayed like that. No biggie in the end but you can find some bug reports like that on github. Most probably it's getting worked out or was but it definitely happened.
        johnchristopher 6y ago
        That and messsages like that when you want to restore your history (but at least you can, big up to matrix for that over Signal): > Try double checking that you did not mix up your security key, security phrase and login password as explained above.
        lrem 6y ago

Far as I can tell, matrix needs to focus harder on the user experience. It was a pain to get set up on.

kitkat_new 6y ago

was? Find it pretty easy nowadays (well - you need to create an account)

kubanczyk 6y ago

I've installed Element on Android last week and created a fresh matrix.org account. No tech skills required so far.

SAI_Peregrinus 6y ago
I just tried it (new account) to see. Downloaded client on Windows. Fine. Installed fine. Hit the button to make an account, everything went fine. It sent a verification email. I clicked the link. It said "something" was wrong with my setup. I JUST installed it, with the default options. On a hunch, I went back to the client, and was able to log in. The failure message was entirely spurious. If I hadn't been tech savvy I likely would have been scared off and not bothered, assuming it was just broken.
johnchristopher 6y ago
Cool. Now get 5 friends of yours to join you in a crypted room with each using a phone and then a browser, wait two days, get back to it and manage all the insecure session notices. Beware, they removed the warning from the android client though. It confused people.
- kitkat_new 6y ago
  are you talking about the gray shield?
  - johnchristopher 6y ago
    I am talking about the insecure session red warnings in the room details and the notices aside messages of untrusted/unverified/forgotten session.
    - kitkat_new 6y ago
      you shouldn't see any of those unless you verify one of your friends; or you mess up your own devices
    - remirk 6y ago
      That is only the case when you have verified your friends keys (by qr code or emoji string). When one of your friends account is hijacked and has someone snooping on messages, you'd want to know that. Though I see it might be confusing at first for users to understand that they have to sign their devices. Currently, you have to login with a username/password and afterwards (optionaly) get one of your other devices to sign your new device. Which the UI does clearly ask you to do though.
      - johnchristopher 6y ago
        No, no, no. I have been toying my own Matrix instance and I registered 2 users that I played with, exchanging pictures and messages. There were some glitches in the UI that insiste on flagging some sessions as insecure even though I verified every session. Sometimes it got resolved all on its own, sometimes it stayed like that. No biggie in the end but you can find some bug reports like that on github. Most probably it's getting worked out or was but it definitely happened.
      - johnchristopher 6y ago
        That and messsages like that when you want to restore your history (but at least you can, big up to matrix for that over Signal): > Try double checking that you did not mix up your security key, security phrase and login password as explained above.
      - lrem 6y ago