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Here’s what I do: - never install slack or email on your phone - use a separate laptop for personal stuff. I don’t/can’t log in to work stuff here. - put you
by throwarayes 6y ago
Here’s what I do:
- never install slack or email on your phone
- use a separate laptop for personal stuff. I don’t/can’t log in to work stuff here.
- put your work laptop away and out of sight when done work
- (optionally) give a few trusted people your phone number if they absolutely must reach you
The last point help alleviate the stress of “I absolutely must always check slack to deal with the latest crisis”
- nend 6y agoThat's fine it works for you but it just shifts the burden off yourself by putting it on your coworkers. Unless it's specifically discussed and agreed upon for your role, that's rather unfair to the rest of the team.
- DocG 6y agoHow? Keeping work and private life sperate is normal.
- jasonpeacock 6y agoThe coworkers should all be doing the same thing. Only the oncall and their official escalation paths should be expected to be available off-hours.
- MereInterest 6y agoI would say that it shifts the burden off of yourself by putting it onto management. Management then has the option to hire more people, to offset schedules to maintain better coverage, to establish more accurate goals and timelines, etc. These are things that are inherent to the role of a manager. There's no sense in me burning myself out to poorly work around a problem that exists at a different level. The default assumption is that time outside of work hours is my time, and is not to be interrupted. Unless it's specifically discussed and agreed upon for my role, having anything else is extremely unfair and manipulative.
- laichzeit0 6y agoHiring more people means less money at the end of the year for that annual bonus. So you’re kinda making that choice, even if you shift the problem to management.
- redisman 6y agoGreat I’ll take the work life balance over an imaginary bonus then. And if you can’t keep up in compensation then I’ll look for another job
- esoterica 6y agoBonuses aren’t imaginary. In some industries like finance they are like 90% of your comp.
- frongpik 6y agoLess money for the manager's bonus. For line workers, the bonus is more or less fixed.
- jeromegv 6y agoWow, so the solution is for workers to do as much work as possible to "help" management hiring less employees? Do you think that when they save money, they set it aside for employees bonus? Or may be employee compensation is driven by supply and demand and has nothing to do with you working overtime all year long...
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- digitalsushi 6y agoWithout having the insight into another's mind that we have with our own, how could anyone make the claim that their coworker's burdens are as important to address than those of self?
- throwarayes 6y agoI think the opposite is true: unless it’s agreed upon I work outside work hours, I’m not going to do it. I’m not going to stop everything at a vacation with my kids to solve a bug. And I would not work anyplace that wanted that.
- hiimtroymclure 6y agoIve been working remote long before the pandemic and cant stress these points enough. They might seem silly at first but they really work. At the bare minimum, no slack or work email on your phone. I've also learned to over communicate. Usually when I step away I leave a pretty detailed overview of where things are and the feeling of "leaving the team high and dry" diminishes.
- codyogden 6y ago> give a few trusted people your phone number if they absolutely must reach you My last team sent me a desktop IP phone they could call me whenever. I should have realized then it wasn't a great fit. heh.
- p2t2p 6y agoThis! I'm doing exactly this since 2021 and it helped _immensely_
- scruple 6y ago> (optionally) give a few trusted people your phone number if they absolutely must reach you But HR has your number, for obvious reasons, and, as I've learned the hard way, cannot be trusted to not publicize it internally, even if you request that they not.
- foolmeonce 6y agoGood point. Phone numbers are cheap and it's worth thinking about having additional ones you can change. This also comes up for the problem of SMS 2FA, a coworker got tired of a headhunter (?) trying to reach me and finally gave him my cell phone. Very dangerous if it was a social engineer out to get enough data to break in.