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Aren’t most of these programs designed to prevent unwanted pregnancy? Is it unethical to assist people in preventing a mistake?

OwlsParlay 6y ago
The argument would be, what is the intent of the CCP in pushing this program, gien the evidence of coercion from Uyghur camp survivors. Is it as virtuous as state media argues? Doubtful.
- alisonkisk 6y ago
  CCP pushed birth control for everyone in China (at least publicly)
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arthur2e5 6y ago
Family planning did and still does mean something coercive in China for most people. To them it's about paying a fine for extra kids, and when local govt gets angry forced birth control. People hid kids for a reason. The policy has historically allowed exceptions for ethnic minorities, but looking at news stories they have been physically putting birth control devices in Uyghur women without consent too. The state perfected its art of surveillance by testing on minorities; it's no surprise they also perfected some other human rights violations from experience with Han people. (There are cheap condom programs, but the entire country just doesn't talk about sex. You get few safe sex talks, and all these stuff end up as balloons for kids and hairbands. Combined oral contraceptives are cheap and OTC, but the culture is heavily against "unnecessary use of western medicine", especially for the cheap ethinylestradiol/levonostrogel kind because "cheap means bad". So you end up with good women's bodily autonomy on paper and terrible execution, even without the violations.)
grenoire 6y ago
Unwanted pregnancies can be prevented through education. This is not something that must be done in teenage years, there are adults who are unaware of contraceptives or don't have access to them. Permanently preventing someone from having children is immoral, the alternative is actively being ignored by the govt. in question.

OwlsParlay 6y ago

The argument would be, what is the intent of the CCP in pushing this program, gien the evidence of coercion from Uyghur camp survivors. Is it as virtuous as state media argues? Doubtful.

alisonkisk 6y ago
CCP pushed birth control for everyone in China (at least publicly)

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arthur2e5 6y ago

Family planning did and still does mean something coercive in China for most people. To them it's about paying a fine for extra kids, and when local govt gets angry forced birth control. People hid kids for a reason. The policy has historically allowed exceptions for ethnic minorities, but looking at news stories they have been physically putting birth control devices in Uyghur women without consent too. The state perfected its art of surveillance by testing on minorities; it's no surprise they also perfected some other human rights violations from experience with Han people. (There are cheap condom programs, but the entire country just doesn't talk about sex. You get few safe sex talks, and all these stuff end up as balloons for kids and hairbands. Combined oral contraceptives are cheap and OTC, but the culture is heavily against "unnecessary use of western medicine", especially for the cheap ethinylestradiol/levonostrogel kind because "cheap means bad". So you end up with good women's bodily autonomy on paper and terrible execution, even without the violations.)

grenoire 6y ago

Unwanted pregnancies can be prevented through education. This is not something that must be done in teenage years, there are adults who are unaware of contraceptives or don't have access to them. Permanently preventing someone from having children is immoral, the alternative is actively being ignored by the govt. in question.