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Probably not a coincidence that this gets posted with no context the day that Parler gets kicked off AWS. I presume it's someone trying to offer Cabal as a Par

Probably not a coincidence that this gets posted with no context the day that Parler gets kicked off AWS. I presume it's someone trying to offer Cabal as a Parler alternative.

bastard_op 6y ago
My thoughts exactly, the Donald Chumps will take this up. Good news: Massive influx of users. Bad news: It's all American Fascists looking to hold hands. Saving grace is most are probably too stupid to read hacker news.
- dangus 6y ago
  > Saving grace is most are probably too stupid to read hacker news. I wouldn’t make this assumption. I have seen plenty of modern conservative opinion around here, and some of it really does align with ideas of white male supremacy and support for fascist authoritarian leadership. It’s easier to find on “new” on posts that aren’t strictly technology related. They are definitely here. Of course, people are entitled to their opinions. 99.9% of normal liberal or conservative Americans aren’t going to get violent or take part in an insurrection. Nothing wrong with a having and expressing opinions. But to me, the concern here isn’t even what happened a few days ago at the Capitol. My concern is the mass radicalization of the right wing of politics, and therefore people, in America. This radicalization is mainstream because the media outlets pushing the ideas are themselves mainstream, more mainstream than you think. E.g. my family members, who are not deep down anything truly radical like the Q rabbit hole, but still believe it’s okay for Trump to be “joking” about 12 more years, running contrary to elementary school civics lessons that were supposed to be universal common ground. They got these ideas from America’s number one cable news channel, not some obscure Internet forum.
  - throwaway80332 6y ago
    The thing that I find most terrifying about Trump is that he persued every legal option to win, and when that didn't work out he conceded and said he's going to help make sure there's a smooth transition of power. He is truly the most vile authoritarian anywhere outside of the 1930s Germany, and that's not just because he makes jokes.
- deeviant 6y ago
  Don't be so sure. Trump-Qanon supporters seem to be pretty common around here. They were very active in the "Trump banned from twitter" post. Doesn't surprise me as (Trump|QAnon)'ism seems to be very inviting to the tech bro culture.
  - h2odragon 6y ago
    Does "Free speech applies to Qanaon supporters as much as it does to me and thee." make me a Qanon supporter?
  - monoideism 6y ago
    If QAnon is truly "pretty common" on HN, then I'm sure you could easily point out, say, 3-4 QAnon posts on here from the past week. That should be easy if QAnon is common on HN, right?
    - deeviant 6y ago
      I specifically said (Trump|QAnon). It's pretty hard to tell the average trump supporter apart from the average QAnon supporter. And you could look at my comments and those who commented in return to find your 3-4 posters. That's pretty easy, right?
      - monoideism 6y ago
        QAnon, as malignant as it is, is a relatively small movement even among Trump supporters - probably around 1/4 of his followers. Don't believe me? Go read thedonald.win. After you recover from the shock of realizing that many of them are planning/hoping for another assault on democracy on the 17th, you'll see that the attitude toward QAnon is not one of approval . And I've never seen a QAnon-related or -influenced post on HN. Clearly, there are Trump supporters, although they're a very small minority here. So yes, (Trump|QAnon) evaluates true on HN, but only because of the first term in the expression.
        deeviant 6y ago
greatgirl 6y ago
I doubt that https://github.com/cabal-club/commons/blob/master/values.md#values https://github.com/cabal-club/commons/blob/master/values.md#...
- gojomo 6y ago
  But if architected for openness without central censorship chokepoints, such affinity declarations can’t alone prevent participation. Mastodon’s tech is used by Gab, for example. At best this can: * influence the observable qualities of the closely-collaborating dev community – who’ll have to outwardly project these values. * lead to the prioritization of decentralized user-driven moderation features, which still allow the disfavored groups to communicate with other willing audiences, with minimized impact on unwilling audiences.
tick_tock_tick 6y ago
They in no way support free speech.

Probably not a coincidence that this gets posted with no context the day that Parler gets kicked off AWS. I presume it's someone trying to offer Cabal as a Parler alternative.

bastard_op 6y ago

My thoughts exactly, the Donald Chumps will take this up. Good news: Massive influx of users. Bad news: It's all American Fascists looking to hold hands. Saving grace is most are probably too stupid to read hacker news.

dangus 6y ago
> Saving grace is most are probably too stupid to read hacker news. I wouldn’t make this assumption. I have seen plenty of modern conservative opinion around here, and some of it really does align with ideas of white male supremacy and support for fascist authoritarian leadership. It’s easier to find on “new” on posts that aren’t strictly technology related. They are definitely here. Of course, people are entitled to their opinions. 99.9% of normal liberal or conservative Americans aren’t going to get violent or take part in an insurrection. Nothing wrong with a having and expressing opinions. But to me, the concern here isn’t even what happened a few days ago at the Capitol. My concern is the mass radicalization of the right wing of politics, and therefore people, in America. This radicalization is mainstream because the media outlets pushing the ideas are themselves mainstream, more mainstream than you think. E.g. my family members, who are not deep down anything truly radical like the Q rabbit hole, but still believe it’s okay for Trump to be “joking” about 12 more years, running contrary to elementary school civics lessons that were supposed to be universal common ground. They got these ideas from America’s number one cable news channel, not some obscure Internet forum.
- throwaway80332 6y ago
  The thing that I find most terrifying about Trump is that he persued every legal option to win, and when that didn't work out he conceded and said he's going to help make sure there's a smooth transition of power. He is truly the most vile authoritarian anywhere outside of the 1930s Germany, and that's not just because he makes jokes.
deeviant 6y ago
Don't be so sure. Trump-Qanon supporters seem to be pretty common around here. They were very active in the "Trump banned from twitter" post. Doesn't surprise me as (Trump|QAnon)'ism seems to be very inviting to the tech bro culture.
- h2odragon 6y ago
  Does "Free speech applies to Qanaon supporters as much as it does to me and thee." make me a Qanon supporter?
- monoideism 6y ago
  If QAnon is truly "pretty common" on HN, then I'm sure you could easily point out, say, 3-4 QAnon posts on here from the past week. That should be easy if QAnon is common on HN, right?
  - deeviant 6y ago
    I specifically said (Trump|QAnon). It's pretty hard to tell the average trump supporter apart from the average QAnon supporter. And you could look at my comments and those who commented in return to find your 3-4 posters. That's pretty easy, right?
    - monoideism 6y ago
      QAnon, as malignant as it is, is a relatively small movement even among Trump supporters - probably around 1/4 of his followers. Don't believe me? Go read thedonald.win. After you recover from the shock of realizing that many of them are planning/hoping for another assault on democracy on the 17th, you'll see that the attitude toward QAnon is not one of approval . And I've never seen a QAnon-related or -influenced post on HN. Clearly, there are Trump supporters, although they're a very small minority here. So yes, (Trump|QAnon) evaluates true on HN, but only because of the first term in the expression.
      - deeviant 6y ago

greatgirl 6y ago

I doubt that https://github.com/cabal-club/commons/blob/master/values.md#values https://github.com/cabal-club/commons/blob/master/values.md#...

gojomo 6y ago
But if architected for openness without central censorship chokepoints, such affinity declarations can’t alone prevent participation. Mastodon’s tech is used by Gab, for example. At best this can: * influence the observable qualities of the closely-collaborating dev community – who’ll have to outwardly project these values. * lead to the prioritization of decentralized user-driven moderation features, which still allow the disfavored groups to communicate with other willing audiences, with minimized impact on unwilling audiences.

tick_tock_tick 6y ago

They in no way support free speech.