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As an AWS employee: Good. It's about time. Before the 6th, everyone was just acting like far-right seditionists and accelerationists were bumbling fools LARPIN

As an AWS employee: Good. It's about time. Before the 6th, everyone was just acting like far-right seditionists and accelerationists were bumbling fools LARPING around. After the 6th, it's become clear that the LARPs are actually serious. It's time we take them serious. Does Parler have the right to exist on the internet? Yeah. But it doesn't have a right to use other peoples' infrastructure to exist. AWS was complicit until now. There's still work to be done regarding what AWS enables, but there's one less thing AWS is complicit in.

ed25519FUUU 6y ago
Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts regarding antifa’s actions in Portland and the BLM protests earlier in the year? Would you have any problem with AWS hosting their services and helping them organize? I’m asking this question in good faith because I’m having a hard time separating the protest on Jan 6th from basically any other protest I saw last summer, including in DC.
- whoknew1122 6y ago
  I'm not going to even pretend this is a good-faith question. Protests in Portland and other places led to mostly property damage. There were a few deaths, and that sucks. But it wasn't uniformly violence coming from antifa. And the protests were in support of racial and social justice. On the other hand we witnessed the following on the 6th (among too many other things to mention): 1.) A literal gallows erected on Capitol Hill 2.) Thousands of people entering secured areas of a government building. 3.) A police officer literally beat to death with a fire extinguisher This was all in an attempt to overthrow a democratic election. These were insurrectionists intent on using domestic terrorism to overthrow the American government and the concept of American democracy itself. --- That is to say, what we witnessed with BLM protests is completely and diametrically opposite to what we witnessed with the so-called Patriot movement on the 6th. I have absolutely no problem with social justice advocates using AWS as a platform. I do have a problem with domestic terrorists and their enablers using AWS as a platform.
  - ed25519FUUU 6y ago
    I guess what I’m looking for is some consistency in messaging. Right now it looks like tribe allegiance is the leading factor for opinions on Jan 6th and all of the other protests of 2020. Tell me your tribe, and I’ll tell you your opinion.
    - augustt 6y ago
      The most basic reason is that people honestly do not believe “antifa” (convenient way to ascribe organization where there is very little, but ok) violence is an existential threat to the US. Violence over racial justice has happened before and it will happen again. And of course, people will try to use it as an excuse to delegitimize real grievances. I don’t think this country has ever seen a president whip his 74M person base into a frenzy over a completely false narrative, with the specific purpose of overthrowing democracy. A huge chunk of people losing faith in democracy will lead us down a scary path, if we’ve learned anything from history.
enriquec 6y ago
Well, you've just lost me as a customer for life. I had no horse in the game and condemn the violence on both sides - I just value free speech. I hope to see this censorship punished by the market and reflected in Amazon's stock price as well. I'm not a big fish but I'll take my couple thousand/mo elsewhere.
- cglace 6y ago
  It will not affect their stock.
- deleted 6y ago
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- whoknew1122 6y ago
  Cool. You're a rounding error of a rounding error of a rounding error for AWS. Amazon's stock price is doing really good and is only going to improve. It's important to note that AWS didn't change any policies. It just found the backbone to enforce them. AWS never allowed free speech; there have always been terms of service. I guess you just ignored the fact that the ToS exists in exchange for the stability and ease AWS provided you. But now you can't ignore that and reconcile your beliefs with your past behavior (i.e. using AWS as a platform). So AWS has to go. That's cool. AWS will survive. I would suggest you show ideological consistency and take AWS skills off your resume. It weakens your stance considerably if you're using AWS's clout to market yourself to employers. Take a stand. Refuse to use AWS in a professional capacity. Free speech doesn't require access to AWS. If there is a large market for violent far-right LARPing, the market will adjust and some AWS competitor rise to host white supremacist and white-supremacist-adjacent LARPers. And you can give them your money because you support their stance on allowing Parler and its ilk to use its platform.
  - byecomputer 6y ago
    > I guess you just ignored the fact that the ToS exists in exchange for the stability and ease AWS provided you. But now you can't ignore that and reconcile your beliefs with your past behavior (i.e. using AWS as a platform). So AWS has to go. That's cool. AWS will survive. This reads like a dramatic breakup prompted by an affair.

ed25519FUUU 6y ago

Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts regarding antifa’s actions in Portland and the BLM protests earlier in the year? Would you have any problem with AWS hosting their services and helping them organize? I’m asking this question in good faith because I’m having a hard time separating the protest on Jan 6th from basically any other protest I saw last summer, including in DC.

whoknew1122 6y ago
I'm not going to even pretend this is a good-faith question. Protests in Portland and other places led to mostly property damage. There were a few deaths, and that sucks. But it wasn't uniformly violence coming from antifa. And the protests were in support of racial and social justice. On the other hand we witnessed the following on the 6th (among too many other things to mention): 1.) A literal gallows erected on Capitol Hill 2.) Thousands of people entering secured areas of a government building. 3.) A police officer literally beat to death with a fire extinguisher This was all in an attempt to overthrow a democratic election. These were insurrectionists intent on using domestic terrorism to overthrow the American government and the concept of American democracy itself. --- That is to say, what we witnessed with BLM protests is completely and diametrically opposite to what we witnessed with the so-called Patriot movement on the 6th. I have absolutely no problem with social justice advocates using AWS as a platform. I do have a problem with domestic terrorists and their enablers using AWS as a platform.
- ed25519FUUU 6y ago
  I guess what I’m looking for is some consistency in messaging. Right now it looks like tribe allegiance is the leading factor for opinions on Jan 6th and all of the other protests of 2020. Tell me your tribe, and I’ll tell you your opinion.
  - augustt 6y ago
    The most basic reason is that people honestly do not believe “antifa” (convenient way to ascribe organization where there is very little, but ok) violence is an existential threat to the US. Violence over racial justice has happened before and it will happen again. And of course, people will try to use it as an excuse to delegitimize real grievances. I don’t think this country has ever seen a president whip his 74M person base into a frenzy over a completely false narrative, with the specific purpose of overthrowing democracy. A huge chunk of people losing faith in democracy will lead us down a scary path, if we’ve learned anything from history.

enriquec 6y ago

Well, you've just lost me as a customer for life. I had no horse in the game and condemn the violence on both sides - I just value free speech. I hope to see this censorship punished by the market and reflected in Amazon's stock price as well. I'm not a big fish but I'll take my couple thousand/mo elsewhere.

cglace 6y ago
It will not affect their stock.
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whoknew1122 6y ago
Cool. You're a rounding error of a rounding error of a rounding error for AWS. Amazon's stock price is doing really good and is only going to improve. It's important to note that AWS didn't change any policies. It just found the backbone to enforce them. AWS never allowed free speech; there have always been terms of service. I guess you just ignored the fact that the ToS exists in exchange for the stability and ease AWS provided you. But now you can't ignore that and reconcile your beliefs with your past behavior (i.e. using AWS as a platform). So AWS has to go. That's cool. AWS will survive. I would suggest you show ideological consistency and take AWS skills off your resume. It weakens your stance considerably if you're using AWS's clout to market yourself to employers. Take a stand. Refuse to use AWS in a professional capacity. Free speech doesn't require access to AWS. If there is a large market for violent far-right LARPing, the market will adjust and some AWS competitor rise to host white supremacist and white-supremacist-adjacent LARPers. And you can give them your money because you support their stance on allowing Parler and its ilk to use its platform.
- byecomputer 6y ago
  > I guess you just ignored the fact that the ToS exists in exchange for the stability and ease AWS provided you. But now you can't ignore that and reconcile your beliefs with your past behavior (i.e. using AWS as a platform). So AWS has to go. That's cool. AWS will survive. This reads like a dramatic breakup prompted by an affair.