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Until recently I worked at a university - we had several data-centers, multiple fiber connections to the Internet2 as well as direct connections to both AWS and

by smoyer 6y ago

Until recently I worked at a university - we had several data-centers, multiple fiber connections to the Internet2 as well as direct connections to both AWS and Azure. We were ready to move many of our core services to AWS when COVID hit but our systems were designed to run on a Kubernetes cluster so we could theoretically run locally or on any cloud. This takes me back to my first Internet connection which was a partial T1 line back to a mid-tier Internet provider. We ran everything over that connection except for our main sales page and had a lot more autonomy. The provider didn't care what was running over that connection so long as they got paid. My point is that I don't think the higher education institutions (where the Internet initially flourished) will be affected, nor will the big companies who already have connections as described above. Those of us who have traded our autonomy for cheaper operating costs and more convenience will indeed find that we've lot a lot of the control we used to have.

seneca 6y ago
What happens when ISPs decide to deplatform you? Domain registrars, certificate authorities? What about banks? At some point you're dependent on another entity if you want to exist on the internet. I think a noble goal would be to change that, but we're far away from it.
- w8tTh0 6y ago
  There’s a long held principle that one is not above social ostracism as a result of their actions. Other people are biological creatures too, with all the same warts. I think a noble goal would be for you personally accept that’s an arbitrary goal, expecting others to adopt it is exactly the problem you hate. If we all adopt that goal, where is the alternative thought? Is there right to question that goal? Or protest that goal? Round n round we go, regurgitating banal rhetoric, ignoring what it means in physical reality terms. Emit whatever syntax you want. No one else is obliged to agree with or act according to the semantics. Expecting such is exactly the problem.
gus_massa 6y ago
Some emails of my university are filtered by Hotmail. They don't go to the spam folder, there is no bounce message, they just evaporate. It's getting harder and harder to have your own email server.

by smoyer 6y ago

seneca 6y ago

What happens when ISPs decide to deplatform you? Domain registrars, certificate authorities? What about banks? At some point you're dependent on another entity if you want to exist on the internet. I think a noble goal would be to change that, but we're far away from it.

w8tTh0 6y ago
There’s a long held principle that one is not above social ostracism as a result of their actions. Other people are biological creatures too, with all the same warts. I think a noble goal would be for you personally accept that’s an arbitrary goal, expecting others to adopt it is exactly the problem you hate. If we all adopt that goal, where is the alternative thought? Is there right to question that goal? Or protest that goal? Round n round we go, regurgitating banal rhetoric, ignoring what it means in physical reality terms. Emit whatever syntax you want. No one else is obliged to agree with or act according to the semantics. Expecting such is exactly the problem.

gus_massa 6y ago

Some emails of my university are filtered by Hotmail. They don't go to the spam folder, there is no bounce message, they just evaporate. It's getting harder and harder to have your own email server.