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Yes, but most of the hundreds of millions of westerners (US, Western Europe, Australasia) are unlikely to experience real consequences for everyday life from cl

by hyko 6y ago

Yes, but most of the hundreds of millions of westerners (US, Western Europe, Australasia) are unlikely to experience real consequences for everyday life from climate change in a wild ride this decade. That’s for all sorts of reasons, principally economic and geographic.

TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
You don't consider death, drought, and flooding real consequences? Why not? The insurance industries already disagree with you. Trying getting flood insurance in some parts of the UK now. It wouldn't have been a problem thirty years now, now it's impossible. And try selling a house that can't be insured. But perhaps you don't think losing that kind of capital investment isn't a real consequence for everyday life?
- michaelcampbell 6y ago
  He said most, not all. You even said your self "some parts".
- hyko 6y ago
  I’m not saying there haven’t been serious consequences from climate change, I’m saying most westerners have not experienced them yet, and won’t experience them in the coming decade. There’s nothing controversial about that, it’s the view of mainstream climate science. Alarmism is ultimately counterproductive, because the risk is that people will see the gap between their personal experience and the climate prognostications, and decide the whole thing is complete bullshit. So it’s important that we are precise in our communication, and honest about the state of our knowledge. We face a monumental struggle to deflect the asteroid of climate change by the end of the century, and we need public buy in to do it. Anything that undermines that will magnify the challenge many times, and perhaps even render it impossible.
rini17 6y ago
Disagree. In Europe there's increasing number of summer days with wet heat which persists overnight that makes many outdoor (and indoor without AC) activites difficult or impossible. It causes all kinds of adverse health effects. In the US you're used to AC everywhere but for europeans this is major adjustment.
freeflight 6y ago
In a way many Europeans have been experiencing one of the very real consequences of changing climate, refugees: The civil war in Syria was partly the direct result of a record drought [0] and a steadily escalating conflict over the limited access to fresh-water in the region [1] [0] https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08DAMASCUS847_a.html https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08DAMASCUS847_a.html [1] https://library.ecc-platform.org/conflicts/turkey-syria-and-iraq-conflict-over-euphrates-tigris https://library.ecc-platform.org/conflicts/turkey-syria-and-...

by hyko 6y ago

TheOtherHobbes 6y ago

You don't consider death, drought, and flooding real consequences? Why not? The insurance industries already disagree with you. Trying getting flood insurance in some parts of the UK now. It wouldn't have been a problem thirty years now, now it's impossible. And try selling a house that can't be insured. But perhaps you don't think losing that kind of capital investment isn't a real consequence for everyday life?

michaelcampbell 6y ago
He said most, not all. You even said your self "some parts".
hyko 6y ago
I’m not saying there haven’t been serious consequences from climate change, I’m saying most westerners have not experienced them yet, and won’t experience them in the coming decade. There’s nothing controversial about that, it’s the view of mainstream climate science. Alarmism is ultimately counterproductive, because the risk is that people will see the gap between their personal experience and the climate prognostications, and decide the whole thing is complete bullshit. So it’s important that we are precise in our communication, and honest about the state of our knowledge. We face a monumental struggle to deflect the asteroid of climate change by the end of the century, and we need public buy in to do it. Anything that undermines that will magnify the challenge many times, and perhaps even render it impossible.

rini17 6y ago

Disagree. In Europe there's increasing number of summer days with wet heat which persists overnight that makes many outdoor (and indoor without AC) activites difficult or impossible. It causes all kinds of adverse health effects. In the US you're used to AC everywhere but for europeans this is major adjustment.

freeflight 6y ago

In a way many Europeans have been experiencing one of the very real consequences of changing climate, refugees: The civil war in Syria was partly the direct result of a record drought [0] and a steadily escalating conflict over the limited access to fresh-water in the region [1] [0] https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08DAMASCUS847_a.html https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08DAMASCUS847_a.html [1] https://library.ecc-platform.org/conflicts/turkey-syria-and-iraq-conflict-over-euphrates-tigris https://library.ecc-platform.org/conflicts/turkey-syria-and-...