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Neither Biden nor Trump actively incited riots. Though both were wishy washy about their respective riots, generally supporting "protestors" and giving generic

Neither Biden nor Trump actively incited riots. Though both were wishy washy about their respective riots, generally supporting "protestors" and giving generic statements disavowing violence.

diveanon 6y ago
You're wrong. Trump and the other speakers at that rally specifically told the people there to march down to the capitol. He specifically told them to hold Pence accountable, which resulted in lynch mobs roaming the halls. Trump refused to call in the guard and his own cabinet has said that he was happy about what was happening inside the capitol. Pence and Pelosi had to override him in order to get support. Trump told the the protestors he loved them and that they were special people after restating the election was rigged and got himself suspended from Twitter. Trump didn't disavow the protests until his cabinet handed him a speach and forced him to read it in what has to be the first presidential hostage video in history. He then proceeded to back peddle and get himself banned from Twitter. You can take your both sides centrist bullshit and fuck off.
- concordDance 6y ago
  None of what you said is incitement to riots, so I'm a bit confused why you are saying I'm wrong given you don't seem to disagree with me. :S Also, he never disavowed the protestors, just the people who were breaking in and being violent (who were a small minority). And he certainly didn't "get himself banned from Twitter" by "back peddling" given he just said: > The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!! And > To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th.
  - diveanon 6y ago
    "March down to the capitol" "We are coming for you" "We will never take this country back with weakness" "Trial by combat" I don't know if you are being intentionally obtuse and trolling or just really this dense. Trump, his son, and Rudy spent hours whipping that crowd into a frenzy and then directed them towards the Capitol. This look like a small minority to you? https://teddit.net/r/PublicFreakout/comments/kucaz0/the_moment_officer_brian_sicknick_is_dragged_into/ https://teddit.net/r/PublicFreakout/comments/kucaz0/the_mome... That officer was beaten to death by an American flag surrounded by thousands of trump supporters, who sang fucking songs and watched. I don't know what disgusts me more, that video or your smarmy dismissive attitude.
    - concordDance 6y ago
      Only "trial by combat" could be considered incitement to violence and I don't believe that was said by Trump. > That officer was beaten to death by an American flag surrounded by thousands of trump supporters, who sang fucking songs and watched. Most of them wouldn't have been able to see anything. And yes, 10 people is a tiny minority of a crowd of a hundred thousand. Go and have a look at some full raw footage/stream (you're looking for videos at 40+ minutes long) to get an idea of what most people were doing. Also, I' appreciate it if you kept the personal attacks to a minumum, they do you no favours.
      - diveanon 6y ago
        The time for civility has passed, and frankly I'm not trying to convince you of anything as you seemed dedicated to ignoring/rationalizing the reality of what is happening in this country right now. You can continue to excuse terrorists and sedition as long as you want, just don't come crying back here about being oppressed when your friends, family, and co-workers get sick of your bullshit. Hopefully one day you will come around and acknowledge that you are on the wrong side of history, but until then you can go fuck yourself.
        dang 6y ago
        You've been breaking the site guidelines egregiously and repeatedly in your comments here. Posts like this and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25725677 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25725677 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25720636 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25720636 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25715970 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25715970 are totally unacceptable here, and bannable offenses. We ban accounts that do that, regardless of what they're fighting for. We don't have a choice, because it destroys what this site is supposed to exist for. I'm not going to ban you right now because it doesn't look like you've been doing this for a super long time. But please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use this site in the intended spirit: thoughtful, curious conversation across differences. If you can't do that, that's understandable of course, but then please don't post until you can. HN's rules have been designed to try to preserve this place as somehow interesting, not the scorched earth that internet forums usually descend to. The rules don't stop applying because someone else is wrong or you feel they are, and it's not ok to break them because you're right or you feel you are. Actually those are the cases where they apply the most.

Neither Biden nor Trump actively incited riots. Though both were wishy washy about their respective riots, generally supporting "protestors" and giving generic statements disavowing violence.

diveanon 6y ago

You're wrong. Trump and the other speakers at that rally specifically told the people there to march down to the capitol. He specifically told them to hold Pence accountable, which resulted in lynch mobs roaming the halls. Trump refused to call in the guard and his own cabinet has said that he was happy about what was happening inside the capitol. Pence and Pelosi had to override him in order to get support. Trump told the the protestors he loved them and that they were special people after restating the election was rigged and got himself suspended from Twitter. Trump didn't disavow the protests until his cabinet handed him a speach and forced him to read it in what has to be the first presidential hostage video in history. He then proceeded to back peddle and get himself banned from Twitter. You can take your both sides centrist bullshit and fuck off.

concordDance 6y ago
None of what you said is incitement to riots, so I'm a bit confused why you are saying I'm wrong given you don't seem to disagree with me. :S Also, he never disavowed the protestors, just the people who were breaking in and being violent (who were a small minority). And he certainly didn't "get himself banned from Twitter" by "back peddling" given he just said: > The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!! And > To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th.
- diveanon 6y ago
  "March down to the capitol" "We are coming for you" "We will never take this country back with weakness" "Trial by combat" I don't know if you are being intentionally obtuse and trolling or just really this dense. Trump, his son, and Rudy spent hours whipping that crowd into a frenzy and then directed them towards the Capitol. This look like a small minority to you? https://teddit.net/r/PublicFreakout/comments/kucaz0/the_moment_officer_brian_sicknick_is_dragged_into/ https://teddit.net/r/PublicFreakout/comments/kucaz0/the_mome... That officer was beaten to death by an American flag surrounded by thousands of trump supporters, who sang fucking songs and watched. I don't know what disgusts me more, that video or your smarmy dismissive attitude.
  - concordDance 6y ago
    Only "trial by combat" could be considered incitement to violence and I don't believe that was said by Trump. > That officer was beaten to death by an American flag surrounded by thousands of trump supporters, who sang fucking songs and watched. Most of them wouldn't have been able to see anything. And yes, 10 people is a tiny minority of a crowd of a hundred thousand. Go and have a look at some full raw footage/stream (you're looking for videos at 40+ minutes long) to get an idea of what most people were doing. Also, I' appreciate it if you kept the personal attacks to a minumum, they do you no favours.
    - diveanon 6y ago
      The time for civility has passed, and frankly I'm not trying to convince you of anything as you seemed dedicated to ignoring/rationalizing the reality of what is happening in this country right now. You can continue to excuse terrorists and sedition as long as you want, just don't come crying back here about being oppressed when your friends, family, and co-workers get sick of your bullshit. Hopefully one day you will come around and acknowledge that you are on the wrong side of history, but until then you can go fuck yourself.
      - dang 6y ago
        You've been breaking the site guidelines egregiously and repeatedly in your comments here. Posts like this and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25725677 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25725677 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25720636 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25720636 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25715970 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25715970 are totally unacceptable here, and bannable offenses. We ban accounts that do that, regardless of what they're fighting for. We don't have a choice, because it destroys what this site is supposed to exist for. I'm not going to ban you right now because it doesn't look like you've been doing this for a super long time. But please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use this site in the intended spirit: thoughtful, curious conversation across differences. If you can't do that, that's understandable of course, but then please don't post until you can. HN's rules have been designed to try to preserve this place as somehow interesting, not the scorched earth that internet forums usually descend to. The rules don't stop applying because someone else is wrong or you feel they are, and it's not ok to break them because you're right or you feel you are. Actually those are the cases where they apply the most.