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>(A non protestant culture would emphasise belief and being a better person more than doing good works) This sounds kind of odd, given protestants generally be

>(A non protestant culture would emphasise belief and being a better person more than doing good works) This sounds kind of odd, given protestants generally believe in salvation by faith (Jesus saves those who believe), and catholics believe in salvation by works.

webdev93 6y ago
It's the opposite, actually.
- rgblambda 6y ago
  Not true. Although it's an oversimplification to say that Catholics/Eastern Rite believe in faith and works while Protestants believe in faith alone. https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/faith-and-works-0 https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/faith-and-wo...
- thinkingemote 6y ago
  Sorry I did over simplify things a bit...
rjtobin 6y ago
I think the idea is that early Protestants like Calvinists believed in predestination - that it was already decided who would was going to heaven. One would think this would make the predestined not care about their actions, but the trick is that no one was sure who the predestined were. Since it was believed that the predestined would be exemplars of the faith, people would act like they thought the predestined would act. I’m not a psychologist or a theologian, but it sounds related to that concept in child psychology: when a child misbehaves, it’s better to say “you did a bad thing” than “you are bad”. The latter leads to the child labeling themselves as bad, suggesting that’s the natural way they should act.
throw0101a 6y ago
> catholics believe in salvation by works. Faith and works. Protestants tend to be about sola scriptura, but nowhere in the Bible does it say faith alone is all that you need. Rather, going to James 2: > 14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. > 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” > Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. > 20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[d]? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[e] and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone. * https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James%202 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James%202

webdev93 6y ago

It's the opposite, actually.

rgblambda 6y ago
Not true. Although it's an oversimplification to say that Catholics/Eastern Rite believe in faith and works while Protestants believe in faith alone. https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/faith-and-works-0 https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/faith-and-wo...
thinkingemote 6y ago
Sorry I did over simplify things a bit...

rjtobin 6y ago

I think the idea is that early Protestants like Calvinists believed in predestination - that it was already decided who would was going to heaven. One would think this would make the predestined not care about their actions, but the trick is that no one was sure who the predestined were. Since it was believed that the predestined would be exemplars of the faith, people would act like they thought the predestined would act. I’m not a psychologist or a theologian, but it sounds related to that concept in child psychology: when a child misbehaves, it’s better to say “you did a bad thing” than “you are bad”. The latter leads to the child labeling themselves as bad, suggesting that’s the natural way they should act.

throw0101a 6y ago

> catholics believe in salvation by works. Faith and works. Protestants tend to be about sola scriptura, but nowhere in the Bible does it say faith alone is all that you need. Rather, going to James 2: > 14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. > 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” > Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. > 20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[d]? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[e] and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone. * https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James%202 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James%202