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>at the 25+ crowd with fresh degrees, tons of debt and not-precisely-excellent earning opportunities There are numerous studies and theories saying that late 1

>at the 25+ crowd with fresh degrees, tons of debt and not-precisely-excellent earning opportunities There are numerous studies and theories saying that late 19th-early 20th century revolutions wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been coordinated by educated people who hadn't found a stable job (mostly as government employees, not that many private white-collar jobs back then). The Russian revolution definitely wouldn't have happened without university-educated Lenin and Trotsky, and I'd say that even Stalin falls under "educated but with no stable job" umbrella (if I'm not mistaken he had gone to a priest seminary). In my country (Romania) most of the inter-war intellectuals had turned extremists for exactly that reason, i.e. too few white-collar jobs to chase for people who had finished university. The most well-known examples are guys like Eliade or Cioran, but a more relevant one is Corneliu Zelea-Codreanu [1], which is currently well liked by some people in the US [2] and in Northern Italy [3]. A very relevant book on the subject can be found here [4], unfortunately for the time being with no English translation. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corneliu_Zelea_Codreanu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corneliu_Zelea_Codreanu [2] https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-charlottesville-college-campuses-20170818-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-charlottesvil... [3] https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2018/11/20/news/lealta_azione_documentario_sky-212139492/ https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2018/11/20/news/lealta_azi... [4] https://www.amazon.com/Limitele-Meritocratiei-Intro-Societate-Romanian/dp/973465148X https://www.amazon.com/Limitele-Meritocratiei-Intro-Societat...

inglor_cz 6y ago
Hello fellow Central European :-) In interwar Czechoslovakia, we had quite a few intellectuals who were openly Stalinist.
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anewaccount2021 6y ago
All of the Bolsheviks were well-read. Even their token thug, Stalin, was probably reading political theory at what we would describe as a doctoral level. While Lenin did not respect Stalin as an intellectual peer, we do know that he spent a great deal of time pouring over dense political tomes. No TV, radio, internet...people read books to entertain themselves. But, to put a fine point on it, the Russian Revolution happened without Lenin or Trotsky. The Bolsheviks overthrew the February Revolution in a coup.
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Izkata 6y ago
Kinda fits the current US situation too: The political violence isn't as new as a lot of people seem to believe - it started years ago, on college/university campuses. While that early violence was done by the students, several times people got videos of their professors in the crowd helping to coordinate. Once that became normalized it spilled off campus and grew into what we're seeing now.
- vladTheInhaler 6y ago
  Ahhh yes. Look at all the university students and professors who just stormed the capitol building in full tactical gear. Really everything bad is all the left's fault. Somehow.
  - strombofulous 6y ago
    This is such a ridiculously uncharitable interpretation of what the person you're replying to said. It makes me feel like I'm on twitter
    - vladTheInhaler 6y ago
      Alright, why don't you start by explaining what you think they mean by "what we're seeing now", or by "violence done by the students", and how those things are causally linked?
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      - strombofulous 6y ago
        Instead of letting you shift the goalposts, I'll explain why I think it was uncharitable. Imo, it is very clear that the OP was not trying to imply that the students/professors were the ones personally or even indirectly involved in these riots. I also feel that it is clear that they were not trying to say that the students were nessicary doing anything wrong. They were replying to their parent comment which was discussing the effects that education had on Russian revolutionary leaders, and connected that same discussion to what we see today. Do you think that they're wrong? Are they missing something critical? Reply to that instead of complaining about how it AlwAYs ComES bACk tO thE LefT. If the facts make a certain group look bad, arguing that it's unfair to make that group look bad doesn't add anything. Add your own insight to the conversation and tell us why you think it's wrong or more nuanced

inglor_cz 6y ago

Hello fellow Central European :-) In interwar Czechoslovakia, we had quite a few intellectuals who were openly Stalinist.

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anewaccount2021 6y ago

All of the Bolsheviks were well-read. Even their token thug, Stalin, was probably reading political theory at what we would describe as a doctoral level. While Lenin did not respect Stalin as an intellectual peer, we do know that he spent a great deal of time pouring over dense political tomes. No TV, radio, internet...people read books to entertain themselves. But, to put a fine point on it, the Russian Revolution happened without Lenin or Trotsky. The Bolsheviks overthrew the February Revolution in a coup.

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Izkata 6y ago

Kinda fits the current US situation too: The political violence isn't as new as a lot of people seem to believe - it started years ago, on college/university campuses. While that early violence was done by the students, several times people got videos of their professors in the crowd helping to coordinate. Once that became normalized it spilled off campus and grew into what we're seeing now.

vladTheInhaler 6y ago
Ahhh yes. Look at all the university students and professors who just stormed the capitol building in full tactical gear. Really everything bad is all the left's fault. Somehow.
- strombofulous 6y ago
  This is such a ridiculously uncharitable interpretation of what the person you're replying to said. It makes me feel like I'm on twitter
  - vladTheInhaler 6y ago
    Alright, why don't you start by explaining what you think they mean by "what we're seeing now", or by "violence done by the students", and how those things are causally linked?
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    - strombofulous 6y ago
      Instead of letting you shift the goalposts, I'll explain why I think it was uncharitable. Imo, it is very clear that the OP was not trying to imply that the students/professors were the ones personally or even indirectly involved in these riots. I also feel that it is clear that they were not trying to say that the students were nessicary doing anything wrong. They were replying to their parent comment which was discussing the effects that education had on Russian revolutionary leaders, and connected that same discussion to what we see today. Do you think that they're wrong? Are they missing something critical? Reply to that instead of complaining about how it AlwAYs ComES bACk tO thE LefT. If the facts make a certain group look bad, arguing that it's unfair to make that group look bad doesn't add anything. Add your own insight to the conversation and tell us why you think it's wrong or more nuanced