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If you want to understand suicide in the UK you need to know, at a minimum, about ONS, NCISH, Fingertips, and then coroners for England and Wales and whatever t

by DanBC 6y ago

If you want to understand suicide in the UK you need to know, at a minimum, about ONS, NCISH, Fingertips, and then coroners for England and Wales and whatever the equivalent is for Scotland and Northern Ireland. Here's a list of links: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/suicidesintheunitedkingdom/2019registrations https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde... https://sites.manchester.ac.uk/ncish/ https://sites.manchester.ac.uk/ncish/ https://fingertips.phe.org.uk/profile-group/mental-health/profile/suicide https://fingertips.phe.org.uk/profile-group/mental-health/pr... https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/guidance-no-17-conclusions.pdf https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/guidance... The best way to find out about these is to speak to someone who works in suicide prevention, so that would be people working for local authority suicide prevention partnership boards (they can have different names in different areas), or people working for NCISH or MASH or ONS, or people on Twitter. But if you can't do that you can sort of get some of the information from Wikipedia. It's a struggle though because the page is a poorly laid out mishmash of information, mostly written by people who don't understand the subject. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_the_United_Kingdom

iamacyborg 6y ago
I hate to be that guy, but if the content on Wikipedia is wrong, why not fix it? Unlike other profit-driven community sites (cough, Fandom, cough) you'll actually be helping other people.
- DanBC 6y ago
  It's not possible to fix information on Wikipedia by using primary sources (the Judiciary website, the ONS data, the NCISH reports), you have to use secondary sources such as newspaper reports. Since newspapers get this stuff wrong too wikipedia will only allow incorrect information. And that's Wikipedia working as intended. If you're unfortunate you'll run up against someone who i) doesn't know anything at all about the topic, ii) has misunderstood some poorly reported document, and iii) has more free time than you. It's exhausting dealing with these people and I simply have better things to do with my time.
  - iamacyborg 6y ago
    That doesn't appear to be true, but you're right, getting into an argument with Wikipedians can be exhausting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_and_using_primary_sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_and_usin...
  - sellyme 6y ago
    > It's not possible to fix information on Wikipedia by using primary sources You're confusing "original research" (something you've personally researched and have not published elsewhere) with primary sources. Primary sources are absolutely suitable for Wikipedia, it's only original research that is disallowed.

by DanBC 6y ago

iamacyborg 6y ago

I hate to be that guy, but if the content on Wikipedia is wrong, why not fix it? Unlike other profit-driven community sites (cough, Fandom, cough) you'll actually be helping other people.

DanBC 6y ago
It's not possible to fix information on Wikipedia by using primary sources (the Judiciary website, the ONS data, the NCISH reports), you have to use secondary sources such as newspaper reports. Since newspapers get this stuff wrong too wikipedia will only allow incorrect information. And that's Wikipedia working as intended. If you're unfortunate you'll run up against someone who i) doesn't know anything at all about the topic, ii) has misunderstood some poorly reported document, and iii) has more free time than you. It's exhausting dealing with these people and I simply have better things to do with my time.
- iamacyborg 6y ago
  That doesn't appear to be true, but you're right, getting into an argument with Wikipedians can be exhausting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_and_using_primary_sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_and_usin...
- sellyme 6y ago
  > It's not possible to fix information on Wikipedia by using primary sources You're confusing "original research" (something you've personally researched and have not published elsewhere) with primary sources. Primary sources are absolutely suitable for Wikipedia, it's only original research that is disallowed.