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Intuitively I always assumed that deplatforming works (and similarly that the Streisand effect doesn't actually work, it's just survivor bias). My issue is that

by crowf 6y ago

Intuitively I always assumed that deplatforming works (and similarly that the Streisand effect doesn't actually work, it's just survivor bias). My issue is that I don't trust Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey and other SV CEOs to decide what should be deplatformed. We see a lot of media around why white people are racist, bad and immoral people. Why don't we see that much media around how the wealthy class are greedy, bad and immoral? My guess is because while BLM, antifa and the like are promoted by most of the major media channels, groups like occupy wall street are being quieted.

johnchristopher 6y ago
> We see a lot of media around why white people are racist, bad and immoral people. Why don't we see that much media around how the wealthy class are greedy, bad and immoral? Imgur is full of posts about that. edit: filter bubble ?
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emilsedgh 6y ago
We see a lot of media around why white people are racist, bad and immoral people. That seems horribly racist. I personally haven't seen such dumb arguments even on the internet. I've seen plenty of arguments about why "the system" is racist (or not) but that's not the same. Why don't we see that much media around how the wealthy class are greedy, bad and immoral? I don't think many people think that way to begin with. But there's plenty of class-based content on social networks. I cannot say I've ever seen them being deplatformed though.
- golergka 6y ago
  You're right that it is horribly racist, but could you have not seen it? In left-leaning, democrat-favouring american media (which is most of it), it's everywhere.
- edbob 6y ago
  > I personally haven't seen such dumb arguments even on the internet. A Critical Race Theory lecturer teaching that "All white people are racist" and "white people are born into not being human": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nupaP3IQwM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nupaP3IQwM Critical Race Theory is not just on the internet but receives government funding and is taught in schools. It's interesting that "white people are not human" doesn't seem to violate any content moderation policies, or perhaps it's merely selective enforcement. This makes it very hard to believe that censorship is anything other than a power grab for political purposes. We're closer than we've ever been to an ideal of racial equality. The last thing we need is a New Racism that glorifies racial hatred and segregation.
JumpCrisscross 6y ago
> My issue is that I don't trust Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey and other SV CEOs to decide what should be deplatformed I don’t either. Which is an argument for breaking at least one of those up. That said, as long as we have freedom of assembly, and as long as political views are not a protected class, this will be a thing. The best protection against it running wild is a vocal minority who question it each time it’s done, to hopefully swing the majority when it goes overboard. > while BLM, antifa and the like are promoted by most of the major media channels, groups like occupy wall street are being quieted Was it? I thought it got lots of coverage. I went down to see it a few times, and from the in-person perspective, the whole thing was cute but loopy. Nobody in charge meant zero coördination or sense of direction or priority. Antifa is a bit like that, which is why you don’t see much policy coming out of it. There isn’t a policy ask. BLM, on the other hand, has identifiable founders and identifiable local leaders in many cities. That keeps it focussed and effective.
- slim 6y ago
  Why not introduce regulations for social platforms ? laws like "deplatforming is forbidden unless ordered by a proper court". I think it's a judge's job to decide on this kinds of issues
  - JumpCrisscross 6y ago
    > laws like "deplatforming is forbidden unless ordered by a proper court" Courts censoring speakers would run afoul of the First Amendment. This is the social media is a utility argument. I’m not sympathetic. If Instagram and WhatsApp weren’t under Facebook, and Vine hadn’t been quashed by Twitter, we would have real competition between platforms. And utilities tend to be heavily politically exposed and controlled.
- NoZZz 6y ago
  Do you still have freedom of assembly during covid?
  - JumpCrisscross 6y ago

by crowf 6y ago

johnchristopher 6y ago

> We see a lot of media around why white people are racist, bad and immoral people. Why don't we see that much media around how the wealthy class are greedy, bad and immoral? Imgur is full of posts about that. edit: filter bubble ?

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emilsedgh 6y ago

We see a lot of media around why white people are racist, bad and immoral people. That seems horribly racist. I personally haven't seen such dumb arguments even on the internet. I've seen plenty of arguments about why "the system" is racist (or not) but that's not the same. Why don't we see that much media around how the wealthy class are greedy, bad and immoral? I don't think many people think that way to begin with. But there's plenty of class-based content on social networks. I cannot say I've ever seen them being deplatformed though.

golergka 6y ago
You're right that it is horribly racist, but could you have not seen it? In left-leaning, democrat-favouring american media (which is most of it), it's everywhere.
edbob 6y ago
> I personally haven't seen such dumb arguments even on the internet. A Critical Race Theory lecturer teaching that "All white people are racist" and "white people are born into not being human": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nupaP3IQwM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nupaP3IQwM Critical Race Theory is not just on the internet but receives government funding and is taught in schools. It's interesting that "white people are not human" doesn't seem to violate any content moderation policies, or perhaps it's merely selective enforcement. This makes it very hard to believe that censorship is anything other than a power grab for political purposes. We're closer than we've ever been to an ideal of racial equality. The last thing we need is a New Racism that glorifies racial hatred and segregation.

JumpCrisscross 6y ago

> My issue is that I don't trust Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey and other SV CEOs to decide what should be deplatformed I don’t either. Which is an argument for breaking at least one of those up. That said, as long as we have freedom of assembly, and as long as political views are not a protected class, this will be a thing. The best protection against it running wild is a vocal minority who question it each time it’s done, to hopefully swing the majority when it goes overboard. > while BLM, antifa and the like are promoted by most of the major media channels, groups like occupy wall street are being quieted Was it? I thought it got lots of coverage. I went down to see it a few times, and from the in-person perspective, the whole thing was cute but loopy. Nobody in charge meant zero coördination or sense of direction or priority. Antifa is a bit like that, which is why you don’t see much policy coming out of it. There isn’t a policy ask. BLM, on the other hand, has identifiable founders and identifiable local leaders in many cities. That keeps it focussed and effective.

slim 6y ago
Why not introduce regulations for social platforms ? laws like "deplatforming is forbidden unless ordered by a proper court". I think it's a judge's job to decide on this kinds of issues
- JumpCrisscross 6y ago
  > laws like "deplatforming is forbidden unless ordered by a proper court" Courts censoring speakers would run afoul of the First Amendment. This is the social media is a utility argument. I’m not sympathetic. If Instagram and WhatsApp weren’t under Facebook, and Vine hadn’t been quashed by Twitter, we would have real competition between platforms. And utilities tend to be heavily politically exposed and controlled.
NoZZz 6y ago
Do you still have freedom of assembly during covid?
- JumpCrisscross 6y ago