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Implicitly comparing a terrorist organisation like ISIS with a large chunk of the US electorate (more people have voted Trump the second time round compared to

Implicitly comparing a terrorist organisation like ISIS with a large chunk of the US electorate (more people have voted Trump the second time round compared to the first) it's pretty damn dangerous, nothing good can come out of it.

loopz 6y ago
Accountability for lies, deceit, fraudulent accusations, thuggery, incitement to mob rule and stopping a cult, are worthy goals. Politics need moderation from falsehoods and slander, and should be about policy, goals and reasons behind the projects.
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- golergka 6y ago
  Are you talking about BLM?
  - loopz 6y ago
    No, how politicians need to act. BLM is a symptom to a systemic problem not rooted in politics explicitly.
onion2k 6y ago
Is that what's being done? For that to be the case you'd have to believe that all of the people who voted for Trump are in favor of the actions of the minority who stormed the Capitol and call for violence on platforms like Parler. That doesn't seem likely to me.
Jonnax 6y ago
So you're saying that a large chunk of Trump voters support the failed coup attempt? And that treating that as terrorism is a bad idea. Because they're going to get even angrier?
- alphabettsy 6y ago
  About 20% polled said it was justified so..
- nedudal 6y ago
  If you don't do anything at all it still would get worse. Look at the 1923 Beer House Coup in Germany and the lax response of the German Kaiserreich to calm Hitlers supporters.
  - inawarminister 6y ago
    By 1923 the Kaiser sadly wasn't in Germany anymore. Close by in the Netherlands though.
- paganel 6y ago
  It is my understanding that terrorists weren’t in the business of making coups, otherwise our history books would have been full of terrorism-sympathizers, from Washington to Bolivar. Call it a coup (like you correctly do), not a terrorist attack.
- bboygravity 6y ago
  Wow, somebody watched too much CNN? Failed coup attempt? What?! That was not a coup attempt and that is not how a coup works. No matter how often CNN repeats that it was. A coup attempt is when an armed force (the army and/or rebels), preferably with the help of politicians/lawyers/outside money/big business and the media, deliberately and violently organize to throw over and take over a government for the long term. How can you even? Jeez, the brain washing is mind blowing to be honest. I find the media and the people who eat it up to be about a 1000x scarier than a bunch of dressed up unorganized people taking selfies inside the capitol.
  - Jonnax 6y ago
    The video where the woman was shot trying to enter the corridor leading to where where politicians were hiding has two people trying to smash down the door to get to them. There is also a picture of a fully masked person carrying zip ties designed for tying hands and feet. There is another video where a police officer is being crushed against a door. A police officer died from injuries sustained from, if I recall correctly, being hit by pipes. The police had found and siezed Molotov cocktails. There was also a pipe bomb found at the DNC and RNC. (People were saying Mike Pense is a traitor, if you weren't aware) These events aren't just some unorganised people taking selfies and were widely reported. Which news outlets did you follow that didn't mention this?
deanCommie 6y ago
Trump voters aren't being deplatformed. Conspiracy theorists who are calling for violence against elected officials and an an abandonment of democratic processes are being deplatformed. What I would love to finish with is "That second group is only a small percentage of the first". Sadly, that's actually not the case. Well, then we must fall onto another maxim. Truth and reality does not have a political bias. Regardless of how many tens of millions of Americans believe that Trump is the real winner of the 2020 election, it doesn't change reality. A comparable tens of millions believe in angels, do not think that humanity has any role in climate change, and that vaccines cause autism. They're wrong about all these points too.
- fsdfgsfsdfsdfsd 6y ago
  Apple and Google just censored a whole social network. How can you claim it is just "people calling for violence"? It's the oldest excuse in the book. And exactly why universal free speech is needed. Because otherwise that same excuse will be made every time. Alternatively, I guess there simply will never be free speech and people will always have to fight to get heard.
  - iamacyborg 6y ago
    A social network that hosts terrorist content.
    - bboygravity 6y ago
      Every social network ever in the history of humanity has hosted terrorist content. Also any opinion ever in the history of humanity could be interpreted as being "terrorist content" by someone. Are you seriously implying we should be going back to a modern version of book burning? I just can't get my head around how apparently the majority of people seems to be back at "censorship is good", us good they bad.
      - diveanon 6y ago
        What is and what is not protected speech has been pretty clearly defined over the years. Honestly though it doesn't matter because these are private companies. Parler has failed to moderate extremist content and is acting as a platform for radicalizing new users. Apple, Google, Amazon, and Twitter have a decided independently that the lost revenue and maga tears are worth not having to host far right terrorists. Parler can host itself if it wants, nobody has made it illegal to be a gaping asshole.
diveanon 6y ago
Implicitly comparing two regressive and violent ideoleolgies seems extremely appropriate. I think it says a lot that taking steps to limit violent hate rhetoric is seen as "suppressing conservatives". If the two cannot be separated then it is in fact time to dismantle that political movement.
- fsdfgsfsdfsdfsd 6y ago
  Being conservative is "regressive and violent"?
curiousgal 6y ago
People have no problem claiming Hamas, a democratically elected leading party, as a terrorist organization so... Edit: I am only criticizing the juxtaposition of being elected and being compared to terrorists. The example itself is of no interest to me.
- yyyk 6y ago
  Ignoring their terrorist record, 'democratically elected' in that case means 'one man, one vote, one time, and no elections ever since 2006'. We don't call people who win one elections and never allow another 'democrats'.
- crowf 6y ago
  If Republicans start firing rockets directed at Mexican(?) civilians, then I guess that we can start claiming that they are terrorists
  - dunkelsten 6y ago
    If Mexicans shot back causing 23 times the casualties on the other hand, they clearly would not be terrorists though, as they just defended themselves.
    - crowf 6y ago
      No, if a group of Republicans decided to go on a lynch (maybe while dressed in white cloths) I would consider them a terrorist organization, even if they only targeted the race of people who attacked their race
iamacyborg 6y ago
I believe only a minority of Trump voters are likely to frequent Parler or td.w

loopz 6y ago

Accountability for lies, deceit, fraudulent accusations, thuggery, incitement to mob rule and stopping a cult, are worthy goals. Politics need moderation from falsehoods and slander, and should be about policy, goals and reasons behind the projects.

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golergka 6y ago
Are you talking about BLM?
- loopz 6y ago
  No, how politicians need to act. BLM is a symptom to a systemic problem not rooted in politics explicitly.

onion2k 6y ago

Is that what's being done? For that to be the case you'd have to believe that all of the people who voted for Trump are in favor of the actions of the minority who stormed the Capitol and call for violence on platforms like Parler. That doesn't seem likely to me.

Jonnax 6y ago

So you're saying that a large chunk of Trump voters support the failed coup attempt? And that treating that as terrorism is a bad idea. Because they're going to get even angrier?

alphabettsy 6y ago
About 20% polled said it was justified so..
nedudal 6y ago
If you don't do anything at all it still would get worse. Look at the 1923 Beer House Coup in Germany and the lax response of the German Kaiserreich to calm Hitlers supporters.
- inawarminister 6y ago
  By 1923 the Kaiser sadly wasn't in Germany anymore. Close by in the Netherlands though.
paganel 6y ago
It is my understanding that terrorists weren’t in the business of making coups, otherwise our history books would have been full of terrorism-sympathizers, from Washington to Bolivar. Call it a coup (like you correctly do), not a terrorist attack.
bboygravity 6y ago
Wow, somebody watched too much CNN? Failed coup attempt? What?! That was not a coup attempt and that is not how a coup works. No matter how often CNN repeats that it was. A coup attempt is when an armed force (the army and/or rebels), preferably with the help of politicians/lawyers/outside money/big business and the media, deliberately and violently organize to throw over and take over a government for the long term. How can you even? Jeez, the brain washing is mind blowing to be honest. I find the media and the people who eat it up to be about a 1000x scarier than a bunch of dressed up unorganized people taking selfies inside the capitol.
- Jonnax 6y ago
  The video where the woman was shot trying to enter the corridor leading to where where politicians were hiding has two people trying to smash down the door to get to them. There is also a picture of a fully masked person carrying zip ties designed for tying hands and feet. There is another video where a police officer is being crushed against a door. A police officer died from injuries sustained from, if I recall correctly, being hit by pipes. The police had found and siezed Molotov cocktails. There was also a pipe bomb found at the DNC and RNC. (People were saying Mike Pense is a traitor, if you weren't aware) These events aren't just some unorganised people taking selfies and were widely reported. Which news outlets did you follow that didn't mention this?

deanCommie 6y ago

Trump voters aren't being deplatformed. Conspiracy theorists who are calling for violence against elected officials and an an abandonment of democratic processes are being deplatformed. What I would love to finish with is "That second group is only a small percentage of the first". Sadly, that's actually not the case. Well, then we must fall onto another maxim. Truth and reality does not have a political bias. Regardless of how many tens of millions of Americans believe that Trump is the real winner of the 2020 election, it doesn't change reality. A comparable tens of millions believe in angels, do not think that humanity has any role in climate change, and that vaccines cause autism. They're wrong about all these points too.

fsdfgsfsdfsdfsd 6y ago
Apple and Google just censored a whole social network. How can you claim it is just "people calling for violence"? It's the oldest excuse in the book. And exactly why universal free speech is needed. Because otherwise that same excuse will be made every time. Alternatively, I guess there simply will never be free speech and people will always have to fight to get heard.
- iamacyborg 6y ago
  A social network that hosts terrorist content.
  - bboygravity 6y ago
    Every social network ever in the history of humanity has hosted terrorist content. Also any opinion ever in the history of humanity could be interpreted as being "terrorist content" by someone. Are you seriously implying we should be going back to a modern version of book burning? I just can't get my head around how apparently the majority of people seems to be back at "censorship is good", us good they bad.
    - diveanon 6y ago
      What is and what is not protected speech has been pretty clearly defined over the years. Honestly though it doesn't matter because these are private companies. Parler has failed to moderate extremist content and is acting as a platform for radicalizing new users. Apple, Google, Amazon, and Twitter have a decided independently that the lost revenue and maga tears are worth not having to host far right terrorists. Parler can host itself if it wants, nobody has made it illegal to be a gaping asshole.

diveanon 6y ago

Implicitly comparing two regressive and violent ideoleolgies seems extremely appropriate. I think it says a lot that taking steps to limit violent hate rhetoric is seen as "suppressing conservatives". If the two cannot be separated then it is in fact time to dismantle that political movement.

fsdfgsfsdfsdfsd 6y ago
Being conservative is "regressive and violent"?

curiousgal 6y ago

People have no problem claiming Hamas, a democratically elected leading party, as a terrorist organization so... Edit: I am only criticizing the juxtaposition of being elected and being compared to terrorists. The example itself is of no interest to me.

yyyk 6y ago
Ignoring their terrorist record, 'democratically elected' in that case means 'one man, one vote, one time, and no elections ever since 2006'. We don't call people who win one elections and never allow another 'democrats'.
crowf 6y ago
If Republicans start firing rockets directed at Mexican(?) civilians, then I guess that we can start claiming that they are terrorists
- dunkelsten 6y ago
  If Mexicans shot back causing 23 times the casualties on the other hand, they clearly would not be terrorists though, as they just defended themselves.
  - crowf 6y ago
    No, if a group of Republicans decided to go on a lynch (maybe while dressed in white cloths) I would consider them a terrorist organization, even if they only targeted the race of people who attacked their race

iamacyborg 6y ago

I believe only a minority of Trump voters are likely to frequent Parler or td.w