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I am in complete agreement that there must be consequences for the Capitol riot. > You think it stops here? Are they encouraged, or discouraged? If nothing hap
by pbourke 6y ago
I am in complete agreement that there must be consequences for the Capitol riot.
> You think it stops here? Are they encouraged, or discouraged? If nothing happens to them, what do you think they'll do next? This isn't over.
I don’t think it stops here. That’s sort of what I was getting at. Will censorship result in less violence or more violence? The assumption is that it turns the temperature down, but where is the precedent for that?
“Free Speech” - not just the technical definition but the culture of it - is a core American value. Having it suppressed so quickly and broadly may actually result in more violence.
I fear that we’re at the beginning of the American “Troubles”
- akie 6y agoYou will appreciate this article then https://eand.co/they-werent-rioters-they-were-fascists-it-wasn-t-an-insurrection-it-was-a-coup-fa9b28c5b704 https://eand.co/they-werent-rioters-they-were-fascists-it-wa...
- dash2 6y agoThis article read like a self-parody. The obsession with what words to use. The instant reach for Nazism as the point of reference (Ezra Klein invoking the "Nuremberg defence"?) The conspiracy theories about The Narrative and The Media, all so strangely similar to the nutcases on the other side. The rage at the Establishment. The foaming-at-the-mouth tone. Dave Spart lives!
- DSingularity 6y agoMight the simpler explanation be that liberals tend to be measured in their criticisms of conservatives and perhaps that leads to sometimes underplaying things?
- akie 6y agoI will point out that you only talk about stylistic issues and do not actually address the central point of the article, which is that language matters ("terrorist" or "freedom fighter"?) and that the discourse using these words is influenced by it. A discussion about freedom fighters is a different one than a discussion about terrorists, even though the people involved might have committed the exact same crime (shooting a bunch of people). As such, designating the mob as American Patriots and the event itself as a "riot" or "insurrection" instead of as a "coup" is - indeed - important and very telling.
- pbourke 6y agoA defining feature of this era is that language doesn’t matter, starting with "fake news" in the summer of 2016. Riot/protest, fascist, coup - these terms and more have been co-opted and reflected back at the other side. Same words, different meaning in the opposing context.
- akie 6y ago"Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind."