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For the record, I make $300/month as a hired software engineer here in Russia. I would prefer slightly better conditions, than no such opportunity at all.

by niq999 6y ago

cpursley 6y ago
Nonsense. You can make this working as a cashier at Magnit (grocery chain). Average salary for non-skilled labor outside of Moscow is $500 per month. Probably higher when you consider the gray/black market (tax avoidance is huge here). A competent software developer in Russia working remotely for western countries is making at least $20 per hour, and in many cases much more. Even a developer working for local companies is going to make several grand per month.
- vbezhenar 6y ago
  Here's some random ad in Krasnodar: https://krasnodar.hh.ru/vacancy/40992302 https://krasnodar.hh.ru/vacancy/40992302 for web developer. 10 000 - 30 000 RUB which is $134 - $400. And that's not even Junior position, as it's required to have 1-3 years of experience to apply and plenty of checkboxes to tick. I agree that good developer can find much better wages, especially if he's not hesitating to move to Moscow/SPb. But not every developer is good and not everyone is fine with relocating. English translation of this ad: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https://krasnodar.hh.ru/vacancy/40992302 https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https:/...
  - cpursley 6y ago
    Crazy, thanks for the info - that's not far from where I am (Anapa). There's many devs living here working for western or Moscow companies.
0xy 6y ago
Is this common in Russia? It seems low even for a junior and even in Russia. When I look on Upwork and Freelancer, decent mid and senior level developers in Russia/Ukraine etc seem to charge $30/hour on the low end. Can't you freelance for more money if that's true?
- Muromec 6y ago
  It's probably just Russia. Software developer salaries in Ukraine[0] are usually in 2k-5k per month range with virtually no tax overhead. Median for the city of Kyiv was 2800 USD per month in 2020. You probably can get as low as 300 working in public sector, but I'm not sure about that now. [0] https://dou.ua/lenta/articles/salary-report-devs-june-2020/ https://dou.ua/lenta/articles/salary-report-devs-june-2020/
  - isbvhodnvemrwvn 6y ago
    Is it true that you do actually get paid in USD due to UAH being unstable?
    - caskstrength 6y ago
      Yes. Absolute majority of software developers in Ukraine work as contractors with rate fixed in USD/EUR.
    - Muromec 6y ago
      Yes, all contracts in last 10 and something years I had were denominated in USD. Now what you get -- that depends. It's either USD or EUR wired from abroad directly or equivalent sum in UAH if you have contract with Ukrainian entity (we simply can't have transactions inside the country in currencies other then hryvnia). You can't get your hands on hard cash in USD or EUR either way, but in the first scenario you can at least keep it and choose when to sell.
- kamidesu 6y ago
  Not sure how common it is but it's not that difficult to get more. A bit difficult for me to say what the exact numbers are at the moment but most of my friends make around 4 to 5 thousands USD after all taxes (nvidia, jetbrains, some remote work).
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Muromec 6y ago
Do you even get dollars or you have fixed sum in RUB in your contract?
- cosmodisk 6y ago
  If he's in Russia, he gets paid in rubles. It's easier to just put out USD values everyone can understand considering how international HN is. Also,not sure if that's still the case but US dollars used to be tightly woven into day to day lives of Russians because of ruble's instability.
  - Muromec 6y ago
    Well of course they get RUB, the question is -- whether the sum in RUB fluctuates along with exchange rate or stays fixed and they eat the cost of denomination.
simonebrunozzi 6y ago
That sounds really low, even for Russia. Could you share a bit more about your location, and perhaps how junior/senior you are?
- wetpaws 6y ago
  That's pretty realistic for Russia, Russia is big and non-homogenous with the most of wealth concentrated in 2-3 cities.
catmanjan 6y ago
I just checked and that's less than half the median wage...
ArtifTh 6y ago
This looks extremely low, you should be able at least twice of that as a junior without much experience.
MrRiddle 6y ago
That is a lie.

For the record, I make $300/month as a hired software engineer here in Russia. I would prefer slightly better conditions, than no such opportunity at all.

by niq999 6y ago

For the record, I make $300/month as a hired software engineer here in Russia. I would prefer slightly better conditions, than no such opportunity at all.

cpursley 6y ago

Nonsense. You can make this working as a cashier at Magnit (grocery chain). Average salary for non-skilled labor outside of Moscow is $500 per month. Probably higher when you consider the gray/black market (tax avoidance is huge here). A competent software developer in Russia working remotely for western countries is making at least $20 per hour, and in many cases much more. Even a developer working for local companies is going to make several grand per month.

vbezhenar 6y ago
Here's some random ad in Krasnodar: https://krasnodar.hh.ru/vacancy/40992302 https://krasnodar.hh.ru/vacancy/40992302 for web developer. 10 000 - 30 000 RUB which is $134 - $400. And that's not even Junior position, as it's required to have 1-3 years of experience to apply and plenty of checkboxes to tick. I agree that good developer can find much better wages, especially if he's not hesitating to move to Moscow/SPb. But not every developer is good and not everyone is fine with relocating. English translation of this ad: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https://krasnodar.hh.ru/vacancy/40992302 https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https:/...
- cpursley 6y ago
  Crazy, thanks for the info - that's not far from where I am (Anapa). There's many devs living here working for western or Moscow companies.

0xy 6y ago

Is this common in Russia? It seems low even for a junior and even in Russia. When I look on Upwork and Freelancer, decent mid and senior level developers in Russia/Ukraine etc seem to charge $30/hour on the low end. Can't you freelance for more money if that's true?

Muromec 6y ago
It's probably just Russia. Software developer salaries in Ukraine[0] are usually in 2k-5k per month range with virtually no tax overhead. Median for the city of Kyiv was 2800 USD per month in 2020. You probably can get as low as 300 working in public sector, but I'm not sure about that now. [0] https://dou.ua/lenta/articles/salary-report-devs-june-2020/ https://dou.ua/lenta/articles/salary-report-devs-june-2020/
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 6y ago
  Is it true that you do actually get paid in USD due to UAH being unstable?
  - caskstrength 6y ago
    Yes. Absolute majority of software developers in Ukraine work as contractors with rate fixed in USD/EUR.
  - Muromec 6y ago
    Yes, all contracts in last 10 and something years I had were denominated in USD. Now what you get -- that depends. It's either USD or EUR wired from abroad directly or equivalent sum in UAH if you have contract with Ukrainian entity (we simply can't have transactions inside the country in currencies other then hryvnia). You can't get your hands on hard cash in USD or EUR either way, but in the first scenario you can at least keep it and choose when to sell.
kamidesu 6y ago
Not sure how common it is but it's not that difficult to get more. A bit difficult for me to say what the exact numbers are at the moment but most of my friends make around 4 to 5 thousands USD after all taxes (nvidia, jetbrains, some remote work).

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Muromec 6y ago

Do you even get dollars or you have fixed sum in RUB in your contract?

cosmodisk 6y ago
If he's in Russia, he gets paid in rubles. It's easier to just put out USD values everyone can understand considering how international HN is. Also,not sure if that's still the case but US dollars used to be tightly woven into day to day lives of Russians because of ruble's instability.
- Muromec 6y ago
  Well of course they get RUB, the question is -- whether the sum in RUB fluctuates along with exchange rate or stays fixed and they eat the cost of denomination.

simonebrunozzi 6y ago

That sounds really low, even for Russia. Could you share a bit more about your location, and perhaps how junior/senior you are?

wetpaws 6y ago
That's pretty realistic for Russia, Russia is big and non-homogenous with the most of wealth concentrated in 2-3 cities.

catmanjan 6y ago

I just checked and that's less than half the median wage...

ArtifTh 6y ago

This looks extremely low, you should be able at least twice of that as a junior without much experience.

MrRiddle 6y ago

That is a lie.