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So is this for users who are physically located in the EU, users with an EU phone number, or EU citizens no matter where they are located? This is problematic f

by aorth 6y ago

So is this for users who are physically located in the EU, users with an EU phone number, or EU citizens no matter where they are located? This is problematic for millions of people. Facebook should just offer a pricing model and let people opt out by paying for an account.

jbverschoor 6y ago
The problem with that for fb is that the people who are willing to pay for these kinds of things make a great cohort to target. So if you exclude them, you can’t do that anymore
StavrosK 6y ago
So because they have a better alternative for some people, this suddenly is "problematic for millions of people"? And the alternative is what? Having everyone get the Spyware version? I would reword your comment as "this is beneficial to hundreds of millions of people".
- aorth 6y ago
  Hmm, I only meant what I said, not what you implied. This is exciting news for hundreds of millions of people in Europe. It is problematic because there are millions of people who check the "EU" box depending on how it is defined. Is it: 1. EU phone number 2. EU IP address 3. EU citizen 4. EU resident That's what I meant.
  - StavrosK 6y ago
    That's fair. You might want to highlight the positive aspects in your comment, which right now are implied so it comes off as negative.
    - aorth 6y ago
      Yes it seems this is how people are interpreting it. By "problematic" I meant that the distinction of "European users" is problematic to me because it is unclear how the distinction is made. As an EU resident who doesn't live in the EU and doesn't use WhatsApp on an EU phone number, will they allow me to be exempt? By "millions" I meant that there have to be millions of EU citizens and residents living, working, and traveling outside of the EU. And there have to be millions of Africans, Asians, Americans, etc living, working, and traveling in the EU. Does this cover them? I'm not a lawyer or some super well-read privacy person... just an average Internet person who thinks Facebook already gathers too much data.
bojan 6y ago
The GDPR applies to anyone handling data of EU residents, regardless of their location. It's not problematic at all.

by aorth 6y ago

jbverschoor 6y ago

The problem with that for fb is that the people who are willing to pay for these kinds of things make a great cohort to target. So if you exclude them, you can’t do that anymore

StavrosK 6y ago

So because they have a better alternative for some people, this suddenly is "problematic for millions of people"? And the alternative is what? Having everyone get the Spyware version? I would reword your comment as "this is beneficial to hundreds of millions of people".

aorth 6y ago
Hmm, I only meant what I said, not what you implied. This is exciting news for hundreds of millions of people in Europe. It is problematic because there are millions of people who check the "EU" box depending on how it is defined. Is it: 1. EU phone number 2. EU IP address 3. EU citizen 4. EU resident That's what I meant.
- StavrosK 6y ago
  That's fair. You might want to highlight the positive aspects in your comment, which right now are implied so it comes off as negative.
  - aorth 6y ago
    Yes it seems this is how people are interpreting it. By "problematic" I meant that the distinction of "European users" is problematic to me because it is unclear how the distinction is made. As an EU resident who doesn't live in the EU and doesn't use WhatsApp on an EU phone number, will they allow me to be exempt? By "millions" I meant that there have to be millions of EU citizens and residents living, working, and traveling outside of the EU. And there have to be millions of Africans, Asians, Americans, etc living, working, and traveling in the EU. Does this cover them? I'm not a lawyer or some super well-read privacy person... just an average Internet person who thinks Facebook already gathers too much data.

bojan 6y ago

The GDPR applies to anyone handling data of EU residents, regardless of their location. It's not problematic at all.