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Jeez, how did you get from correct pronunciation to anti-inclusive?! Most people just want to know what you are talking about when you say libe or cat slash pr

Jeez, how did you get from correct pronunciation to anti-inclusive?! Most people just want to know what you are talking about when you say libe or cat slash prots slash mem in fo or worse. Nothing is more infuriating when people start using wrong words in a 10h telco instead of agreed upon vocabulary, which includes the correct pronunciation! Scratch correct. It's the agreed upon pronunciation we all ought to use when working together.

KineticLensman 6y ago
> Nothing is more infuriating when people start using wrong words in a 10h telco instead of agreed upon vocabulary Totally agree. This is also why doctors say 'pancreatic islets' rather than 'pink wibbly bit'. Using precise technical language does create a barrier to entry but this is a side-effect of the primary purpose of precise technical language: to allow practitioners to communicate accurately and unambiguously.
- tpoacher 6y ago
  Interesting example, since doctors notoriously mispronounce stuff all the time. Especially names.
MiguelX413 6y ago
Can you not understand that the complaint is about the “correct” pronunciation being unintuitive?
- elric 6y ago
  What is or isn't intuitive depends highly on context and background. Good luck finding something that's intuitive for everyone. People have tried and failed with artificial languages.
  - dschuetz 6y ago
    That's why people try to agree upon terms and their pronunciation first. Most languages are unintuitive and it's worse with tech jargon. So, when you work in tech business, or even in some tech club you cannot just walk in and talk like a child and expect everyone to treat you like an adult.
    - elric 6y ago
      Exactly. It's just another thing to learn, and usually something you easily pick up through immersion. Jargon files (like The Jargon File [1]) are pretty amusing and can help illustrate where some of the quirkier conventions originated, but you can get by without them. [1] http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/ http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/
      - dschuetz 6y ago
        Ah, I was thinking about that, thanks for the link! I was quite inspired by the Jargon File, back 15 years ago. But now it is wildly outdated. Flame wars are now called shitstorms and they are held on Twitter. Hackers are not really outcasts anymore, and there is a general acceptance of "hacker culture". Although hackers are now synonymous with foreign state agents rather than criminals.
BossingAround 6y ago
> It's the agreed upon pronunciation we all ought to use when working together. Agreed upon by whom? By the in-group? Why does this "agreed-upon pronunciation" take precedence over the "agreed-upon pronunciation" of English?
- Erlich_Bachman 6y ago
  Because what you call "in-group" is just a bunch of professionals that are working hard on making thier lives easier. One of the results of this collective effort is a consensus (more or sometimes less established, depending on the term) on the pronounciation. It usually doesn't make sense to disturb this for every single person that has a different "intuition" about how words should be pronounced.
- dschuetz 6y ago
  > Why does this "agreed-upon pronunciation" take precedence over the "agreed-upon pronunciation" of English? Excellent question. I don't know. People just assume that precedence as axiomatic (they just agree upon it), because it seems to work... well, easier with? More efficient? That's a subject for a study, I guess. Of course by the in-group. People invent their own languages just to keep other peoples out of their culture or subculture. Since centuries. Another subject for a study. Knock yourself out, do the research and write a paper.

KineticLensman 6y ago

> Nothing is more infuriating when people start using wrong words in a 10h telco instead of agreed upon vocabulary Totally agree. This is also why doctors say 'pancreatic islets' rather than 'pink wibbly bit'. Using precise technical language does create a barrier to entry but this is a side-effect of the primary purpose of precise technical language: to allow practitioners to communicate accurately and unambiguously.

tpoacher 6y ago
Interesting example, since doctors notoriously mispronounce stuff all the time. Especially names.

MiguelX413 6y ago

Can you not understand that the complaint is about the “correct” pronunciation being unintuitive?

elric 6y ago
What is or isn't intuitive depends highly on context and background. Good luck finding something that's intuitive for everyone. People have tried and failed with artificial languages.
- dschuetz 6y ago
  That's why people try to agree upon terms and their pronunciation first. Most languages are unintuitive and it's worse with tech jargon. So, when you work in tech business, or even in some tech club you cannot just walk in and talk like a child and expect everyone to treat you like an adult.
  - elric 6y ago
    Exactly. It's just another thing to learn, and usually something you easily pick up through immersion. Jargon files (like The Jargon File [1]) are pretty amusing and can help illustrate where some of the quirkier conventions originated, but you can get by without them. [1] http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/ http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/
    - dschuetz 6y ago
      Ah, I was thinking about that, thanks for the link! I was quite inspired by the Jargon File, back 15 years ago. But now it is wildly outdated. Flame wars are now called shitstorms and they are held on Twitter. Hackers are not really outcasts anymore, and there is a general acceptance of "hacker culture". Although hackers are now synonymous with foreign state agents rather than criminals.

BossingAround 6y ago

> It's the agreed upon pronunciation we all ought to use when working together. Agreed upon by whom? By the in-group? Why does this "agreed-upon pronunciation" take precedence over the "agreed-upon pronunciation" of English?

Erlich_Bachman 6y ago
Because what you call "in-group" is just a bunch of professionals that are working hard on making thier lives easier. One of the results of this collective effort is a consensus (more or sometimes less established, depending on the term) on the pronounciation. It usually doesn't make sense to disturb this for every single person that has a different "intuition" about how words should be pronounced.
dschuetz 6y ago
> Why does this "agreed-upon pronunciation" take precedence over the "agreed-upon pronunciation" of English? Excellent question. I don't know. People just assume that precedence as axiomatic (they just agree upon it), because it seems to work... well, easier with? More efficient? That's a subject for a study, I guess. Of course by the in-group. People invent their own languages just to keep other peoples out of their culture or subculture. Since centuries. Another subject for a study. Knock yourself out, do the research and write a paper.