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> who said LEAVE IN PEACE is what we should be doing. “we”? He also called the insurrectionists “patriots”, and said that he “loved them”, while they were hol

by mewse 6y ago

> who said LEAVE IN PEACE is what we should be doing. “we”? He also called the insurrectionists “patriots”, and said that he “loved them”, while they were holding the capital building, looting, causing damage, and parading confederate flags through the halls. Just FYI. As like another thing to consider. It’s sort of surprising how you didn’t mention that yourself. It was literally in the same tweet. I guess it must have slipped your mind.

edbob 6y ago
Not everyone thinks that hatred is a moral obligation. It's okay to show compassion to people that you think are making a mistake.
- lumpenprole 6y ago
  Which part was the mistake? Breaking in, looting, parading the confederate flag, killing a cop, insurrection?
  - edbob 6y ago
    Blind partisan hatred is a mistake. Besides that, the people responsible for violent crimes will very likely be prosecuted and harshly punished. The message "go home peacefully" is irrelevant for those people and is probably intended for everyone else. Looting is bad, but it's "jail time" bad and not "undying hatred" bad. It's okay to show some compassion to looters while telling them to change their behavior.
lettergram 6y ago
This is how you de-escalate, you relate. Standard practice[1]: 1. Actively Listen 2. Build Empathy & Rapport (recognize each others mindset) 3. Exert Influence & Change It's also likely, he wasn't 100% aware of the circumstances. Coming out and saying, "I abandon you, you traitors" wouldn't help. Imagine if there were hostages or more bombs! Saying it in a nice way could defuse the situation. Damning it while they are still at or in the building is not a good idea. In a later video Trump said "they'll be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law" and "we need Law and Order". So, I don't think it's a fair characterization given the context. [1] https://www.inc.com/thomas-koulopoulos/how-to-negotiate-using-the-fbis-5-step-hostage-strategy.html https://www.inc.com/thomas-koulopoulos/how-to-negotiate-usin...
- pashamur 6y ago
  You're giving the president here way more leeway than is necessary. The leave in peace video clearly had a subtext (he mentioned the election being stolen no less than 3 times in the video) and was not aimed at subduing the crowd at all. Furthermore, the later video where he said that the trespassers would be prosecuted is clearly scripted/edited (from the monotone and cuts in the filming), and likely happened because of some strong-arming (how else did he go from "we will never concede" to admitting defeat in a single day?) My best guess as to what happened there was that Mitch McConnell (or someone else) figured that he could whip enough votes to impeach & convict if need be and Trump, facing potential consequences, reluctantly decided to play ball.

by mewse 6y ago

edbob 6y ago

Not everyone thinks that hatred is a moral obligation. It's okay to show compassion to people that you think are making a mistake.

lumpenprole 6y ago
Which part was the mistake? Breaking in, looting, parading the confederate flag, killing a cop, insurrection?
- edbob 6y ago
  Blind partisan hatred is a mistake. Besides that, the people responsible for violent crimes will very likely be prosecuted and harshly punished. The message "go home peacefully" is irrelevant for those people and is probably intended for everyone else. Looting is bad, but it's "jail time" bad and not "undying hatred" bad. It's okay to show some compassion to looters while telling them to change their behavior.

lettergram 6y ago

This is how you de-escalate, you relate. Standard practice[1]: 1. Actively Listen 2. Build Empathy & Rapport (recognize each others mindset) 3. Exert Influence & Change It's also likely, he wasn't 100% aware of the circumstances. Coming out and saying, "I abandon you, you traitors" wouldn't help. Imagine if there were hostages or more bombs! Saying it in a nice way could defuse the situation. Damning it while they are still at or in the building is not a good idea. In a later video Trump said "they'll be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law" and "we need Law and Order". So, I don't think it's a fair characterization given the context. [1] https://www.inc.com/thomas-koulopoulos/how-to-negotiate-using-the-fbis-5-step-hostage-strategy.html https://www.inc.com/thomas-koulopoulos/how-to-negotiate-usin...

pashamur 6y ago
You're giving the president here way more leeway than is necessary. The leave in peace video clearly had a subtext (he mentioned the election being stolen no less than 3 times in the video) and was not aimed at subduing the crowd at all. Furthermore, the later video where he said that the trespassers would be prosecuted is clearly scripted/edited (from the monotone and cuts in the filming), and likely happened because of some strong-arming (how else did he go from "we will never concede" to admitting defeat in a single day?) My best guess as to what happened there was that Mitch McConnell (or someone else) figured that he could whip enough votes to impeach & convict if need be and Trump, facing potential consequences, reluctantly decided to play ball.