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The same thing said in one society can result in people kicking each other, killing each other then causing blood feud for centuries while in another society me

by chr1 6y ago

The same thing said in one society can result in people kicking each other, killing each other then causing blood feud for centuries while in another society merely in a lawsuit. For economy to work, large number of people who dislike each other need to cooperate, so it is generally a good strategy for the society to arrange consequences in such a way as to not cause escalating chain of feud.

agiroth 6y ago
This is an excellent point. I've been thinking about how to make it succinctly, I think this is as good a way as any.
jakelazaroff 6y ago
But violence is being planned on Parler, today. It is an incubator for the escalation you’re talking about. We’ve left the realm of the hypothetical. If there’s a bar where the owner lets a gang hang out and recruit members and plans crimes, the thing to do is shut down that bar. Not let it go unchecked because the gang will be mad about it.
- olivermarks 6y ago
  'Violence' is probably being planned on Facebook, Signal, text messages etc etc by all sorts of 'evil doers' to quote GW Bush. This doesn't mean you ban the medium. section 230 defines bigTech as platforms, not publishers. You don't close down AT&T because someone organized a punch up via text messages.
  - jakelazaroff 6y ago
    All reports of activity on Parler seem to indicate it’s basically a breeding ground for right wing extremism, so I think it’s incumbent on you to show why it’s more like text messaging than the aforementioned gang bar. That said, Parler is not being shut down. Also, Section 230 has nothing to do with AWS’s relationship with Parler.
- chr1 6y ago
  > owner lets a gang hang out and recruit members and plans crime Then the thing to do is call the police, not gather a mob to shut down the bar. If people openly plan violence on Parler, then shutting it down will only make it harder for police to prevent it.
  - jakelazaroff 6y ago
    No mob has gathered to shut down Parler, so I’m not really sure where that fits in (ironic, though, since people are using Parler to plan literal mob attacks). Parler’s business partners are abandoning it, sure, but that’s by no means a “mob”. It’s much more akin to the bar’s suppliers refusing to sell it ingredients for drinks, if we want to stick with this analogy.

by chr1 6y ago

agiroth 6y ago

This is an excellent point. I've been thinking about how to make it succinctly, I think this is as good a way as any.

jakelazaroff 6y ago

But violence is being planned on Parler, today. It is an incubator for the escalation you’re talking about. We’ve left the realm of the hypothetical. If there’s a bar where the owner lets a gang hang out and recruit members and plans crimes, the thing to do is shut down that bar. Not let it go unchecked because the gang will be mad about it.

olivermarks 6y ago
'Violence' is probably being planned on Facebook, Signal, text messages etc etc by all sorts of 'evil doers' to quote GW Bush. This doesn't mean you ban the medium. section 230 defines bigTech as platforms, not publishers. You don't close down AT&T because someone organized a punch up via text messages.
- jakelazaroff 6y ago
  All reports of activity on Parler seem to indicate it’s basically a breeding ground for right wing extremism, so I think it’s incumbent on you to show why it’s more like text messaging than the aforementioned gang bar. That said, Parler is not being shut down. Also, Section 230 has nothing to do with AWS’s relationship with Parler.
chr1 6y ago
> owner lets a gang hang out and recruit members and plans crime Then the thing to do is call the police, not gather a mob to shut down the bar. If people openly plan violence on Parler, then shutting it down will only make it harder for police to prevent it.
- jakelazaroff 6y ago
  No mob has gathered to shut down Parler, so I’m not really sure where that fits in (ironic, though, since people are using Parler to plan literal mob attacks). Parler’s business partners are abandoning it, sure, but that’s by no means a “mob”. It’s much more akin to the bar’s suppliers refusing to sell it ingredients for drinks, if we want to stick with this analogy.