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I'm totally okay with suppressing the influence of an apartheid state. Are you? Pretty much everyone was racist 120 years ago. Less, even, but, still 120 yea

I'm totally okay with suppressing the influence of an apartheid state. Are you? Pretty much everyone was racist 120 years ago. Less, even, but, still 120 years ago is a safe buffer. I don't think building monuments to people who ordered the massacre of natives in the name of manifest destiny is a great idea, just as I don't think having monuments to Nathan Bedford Forrest is a great idea, either. America's fetishization of its dead rulers is really second only to ancient Rome, a culture where they literally proclaimed their dead rulers to be gods. Lincoln, Washington, and Cervantes were racist, because the times they lived in were racist. We can do better, and uncritical reverence doesn't help us do that.

aluminum96 6y ago
It's clearly a losing position to argue that AWS should ban content related to Abraham Lincoln grounds of racism. In fact, this so egregiously fails the "smell test" that I don't think it's a useful analogy for this week's events.
- pmiller2 6y ago
  Who said they should?
smsm42 6y ago
> I'm totally okay with suppressing the influence of an apartheid state. Are you? It looks like you just are OK to suppress any point of view that you don't like. And not OK with freedom of speech. Fortunately for you - and unfortunately for everybody for whom it's still valuable - US is no longer a country where freedom of speech exists. I am not OK with this, and I think we are entering a period in American history which will be looked by descendants with deep shame and disgust, and this is due to people like you. Welcome to your 1984, and hope you never utter an unpopular thought.
- pmiller2 6y ago
  I'm okay suppressing vile points of view such as racism, misogyny, and nationalism, as I said. I, for one, welcome a world where those ideas aren't welcome.
  - smsm42 6y ago
    Nope, you are just okay suppressing points of view you didn't like, while calling them vile names such as "racism, misogyny, and nationalism". You just dismissed the whole 7 million country - and didn't feel a thing. And the world you are welcoming by it is the world of 1984 and Fahrenheit 451. The only different thing is that in your world books aren't be burned - that is bad for climate change. They will be - already are - quietly deleted from the servers. You are the dystopia that we've been warned about by 20th century writers. We failed to prevent you. Now it's for us to despair for the lost freedom and for you to hope to never cross your new masters (but know you will, sooner or later).
    - pmiller2 6y ago
      When Israel decides they want to recognize the rights of the Palestinians, as far as I'm concerned, they're welcome to come out and play.
      - CyberDildonics 6y ago
        Until then, you think everyone in the country should be cut off from the internet?
        pmiller2 6y ago
        Why not? Works for me.
      - smsm42 6y ago
        Israel recognizes the rights of everybody, including of course Arabs (Arab citizens have fully equal rights and have political representation in Knesset). Israel does not recognize some of the demands of the PA (which has full autonomy and Israel does not owe them anything), but this has nothing to do with "rights". Get some information before throwing around accusations. That's always the case with you censorious types - you are stunningly ignorant and unwilling to learn about things you dismiss.

aluminum96 6y ago

It's clearly a losing position to argue that AWS should ban content related to Abraham Lincoln grounds of racism. In fact, this so egregiously fails the "smell test" that I don't think it's a useful analogy for this week's events.

pmiller2 6y ago
Who said they should?

smsm42 6y ago

> I'm totally okay with suppressing the influence of an apartheid state. Are you? It looks like you just are OK to suppress any point of view that you don't like. And not OK with freedom of speech. Fortunately for you - and unfortunately for everybody for whom it's still valuable - US is no longer a country where freedom of speech exists. I am not OK with this, and I think we are entering a period in American history which will be looked by descendants with deep shame and disgust, and this is due to people like you. Welcome to your 1984, and hope you never utter an unpopular thought.

pmiller2 6y ago
I'm okay suppressing vile points of view such as racism, misogyny, and nationalism, as I said. I, for one, welcome a world where those ideas aren't welcome.
- smsm42 6y ago
  Nope, you are just okay suppressing points of view you didn't like, while calling them vile names such as "racism, misogyny, and nationalism". You just dismissed the whole 7 million country - and didn't feel a thing. And the world you are welcoming by it is the world of 1984 and Fahrenheit 451. The only different thing is that in your world books aren't be burned - that is bad for climate change. They will be - already are - quietly deleted from the servers. You are the dystopia that we've been warned about by 20th century writers. We failed to prevent you. Now it's for us to despair for the lost freedom and for you to hope to never cross your new masters (but know you will, sooner or later).
  - pmiller2 6y ago
    When Israel decides they want to recognize the rights of the Palestinians, as far as I'm concerned, they're welcome to come out and play.
    - CyberDildonics 6y ago
      Until then, you think everyone in the country should be cut off from the internet?
      - pmiller2 6y ago
        Why not? Works for me.
    - smsm42 6y ago
      Israel recognizes the rights of everybody, including of course Arabs (Arab citizens have fully equal rights and have political representation in Knesset). Israel does not recognize some of the demands of the PA (which has full autonomy and Israel does not owe them anything), but this has nothing to do with "rights". Get some information before throwing around accusations. That's always the case with you censorious types - you are stunningly ignorant and unwilling to learn about things you dismiss.