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Less than 12 hours warning? Amazon had clearly previously communicated with them before today, even having a phone call with them in the last 24 hours. Clearly

Less than 12 hours warning? Amazon had clearly previously communicated with them before today, even having a phone call with them in the last 24 hours. Clearly provided them with examples of problematic content, which Parler didn't even do the bare minimum and remove. A bunch of companies deciding that unmoderated violence should not be given space on their platforms, or using their tools, is not a slippery slope.

stale2002 6y ago
> is not a slippery slope. One action is leading to another and leading to even more actions. That quite clearly falls under the principle of a slippery slope. That is what people mean when they say "slippery slope". Imagine like an actual slope. That is slippery, because it has greese on it. And you slip down the slope. Clearly, we are slipping down that slope very quickly. First it was action X, which everyone agrees was done against someone who deserved it, then it was action Y which was an escalation, and then it was action Z that was another escalation. Surely you should see how it is an escalation to go from "A couple nazis get banned on twitter", to where we are at now which it important computing infrastructure kicking major services off of the platform?
- Sebguer 6y ago
  By your logic, the 'start' of all of this was platforms banning Trump. Do you actually think that "AWS terminates its relationship with a forum for violent extremists" is downslope of the President of the United States being barred from two of the largest social media platforms? There's no slope here. There's multiple platforms drawing a line on acceptable speech, and taking actions to remove the worst offenders. Parler, in particular, thought that they could ignore Amazon's request for moderation and not even take action against specifically flagged posts that violated Amazon's AUP.
  - stale2002 6y ago
    > the 'start' of all of this was platforms banning Trump. People have been talking about deplatforming for a long while. Quite clearly, all of this stuff started a while ago, and has escalated quickly since then. Slippery slope is less about a direct cause, and more of a direction. IE, it is talking about how things are escalating. "AWS terminates its relationship" I would consider major internet infrastructure kicking off a service with millions of users an escalation from where we were a couple years ago, which was more along the lines of "a couple nazis are kicked off of twitter", yes. Quite clearly it is a more significant action to take down a service with millions of users, than it is to ban a couple people on twitter. > There's multiple platforms drawing a line on acceptable speech And those platforms has escalated things over the last couple years. In the past, there was less people being kicked off of various parts of the internet/critical infrastructure, and now there are more people/services being kicked off of critical network infrastructure. That is an escalation. Even yesterday, I did not even consider that AWS would get involved in this somehow, and now look where we are. What is going to happen tomorrow, I wonder? Or the next day and the next? I could not guess at this point. Will ISP's start kicking people off? Possibly. Maybe even phone companies and common carriers will start doing it (even though if a common carrier did it, this would literally be illegal). TBH, It really does not feel like that much of an escalation to say to that ISPs or common carrier might start doing this eventually. They don't feel significantly different than other critical infrastructure. Take your guesses now about what is going to happen next, and see if you were right.

stale2002 6y ago

> is not a slippery slope. One action is leading to another and leading to even more actions. That quite clearly falls under the principle of a slippery slope. That is what people mean when they say "slippery slope". Imagine like an actual slope. That is slippery, because it has greese on it. And you slip down the slope. Clearly, we are slipping down that slope very quickly. First it was action X, which everyone agrees was done against someone who deserved it, then it was action Y which was an escalation, and then it was action Z that was another escalation. Surely you should see how it is an escalation to go from "A couple nazis get banned on twitter", to where we are at now which it important computing infrastructure kicking major services off of the platform?

Sebguer 6y ago
By your logic, the 'start' of all of this was platforms banning Trump. Do you actually think that "AWS terminates its relationship with a forum for violent extremists" is downslope of the President of the United States being barred from two of the largest social media platforms? There's no slope here. There's multiple platforms drawing a line on acceptable speech, and taking actions to remove the worst offenders. Parler, in particular, thought that they could ignore Amazon's request for moderation and not even take action against specifically flagged posts that violated Amazon's AUP.
- stale2002 6y ago
  > the 'start' of all of this was platforms banning Trump. People have been talking about deplatforming for a long while. Quite clearly, all of this stuff started a while ago, and has escalated quickly since then. Slippery slope is less about a direct cause, and more of a direction. IE, it is talking about how things are escalating. "AWS terminates its relationship" I would consider major internet infrastructure kicking off a service with millions of users an escalation from where we were a couple years ago, which was more along the lines of "a couple nazis are kicked off of twitter", yes. Quite clearly it is a more significant action to take down a service with millions of users, than it is to ban a couple people on twitter. > There's multiple platforms drawing a line on acceptable speech And those platforms has escalated things over the last couple years. In the past, there was less people being kicked off of various parts of the internet/critical infrastructure, and now there are more people/services being kicked off of critical network infrastructure. That is an escalation. Even yesterday, I did not even consider that AWS would get involved in this somehow, and now look where we are. What is going to happen tomorrow, I wonder? Or the next day and the next? I could not guess at this point. Will ISP's start kicking people off? Possibly. Maybe even phone companies and common carriers will start doing it (even though if a common carrier did it, this would literally be illegal). TBH, It really does not feel like that much of an escalation to say to that ISPs or common carrier might start doing this eventually. They don't feel significantly different than other critical infrastructure. Take your guesses now about what is going to happen next, and see if you were right.