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> don't even bother to talk to Trump supporters and look past the memes and trolling We did, but when we challenged their fundamental assumptions about the wor

> don't even bother to talk to Trump supporters and look past the memes and trolling We did, but when we challenged their fundamental assumptions about the world or proposed alternatives in earnest reasoned debate and discourse they called us “cucks” and what can you do at that point? Yes, there are people who have been left-behind and find themselves economically disadvantaged by the changing world (e.g. The rust-belt) - but that’s not the basis of “Trumpism” - Reactionary right-wing politics draws on that group but it isn’t the cause nor basis for it. Remember that Trump isn’t really that popular amongst actually poor people - he’s popular with people who grew up in an environment that promoted what we now call /toxic individualism/. And America has a long tradition of it.

shripadk 6y ago
> we challenged their fundamental assumptions about the world or proposed alternatives they called us “cucks” and what can you do at that point That's not true at all for most Trump supporters. If you have trouble finding answers to your questions I can give them to you. I won't call you a cuck and will engage in a proper debate. Even though I don't subscribe to all of Trump's policies I'm a right winger and a conservative. Another point to note: I don't subscribe to all of Trump's policies because the right wing in America is different from right wing in my country in many respects. But there is sufficient overlap to be able to say I can agree to many of the conservative points in US politics as well. So if you have questions regarding my ideology fire away and I'll try my best to answer.
Nathanba 6y ago
If that is the extent of effort you went to understand the other side then you never understood it. Can you give a reasoned, principled argument against open borders, transsexualism, liberalism itself? if you cant, you dont understand. You went to Trump supporters like to an ATM expecting a full service withdrawal. Life doesn't work that way, people dont either
- scythe 6y ago
  >Can you give a reasoned, principled argument against open borders, transsexualism, liberalism itself? I've heard plenty of reasoned arguments against those things. Here's the problem: they weren't given by Trump supporters. They came from moderates, or in some cases, from Marxists. Trumpism isn't just opposition to what Fox News says the Democratic Party supports. It's the belief structure that convinces people that "open borders" is even on the table in modern politics at all (it isn't). If you think that "open borders" is more likely in the next two decades than the country being destroyed by an asteroid impact, you're already in the disinformation hole.

shripadk 6y ago

> we challenged their fundamental assumptions about the world or proposed alternatives they called us “cucks” and what can you do at that point That's not true at all for most Trump supporters. If you have trouble finding answers to your questions I can give them to you. I won't call you a cuck and will engage in a proper debate. Even though I don't subscribe to all of Trump's policies I'm a right winger and a conservative. Another point to note: I don't subscribe to all of Trump's policies because the right wing in America is different from right wing in my country in many respects. But there is sufficient overlap to be able to say I can agree to many of the conservative points in US politics as well. So if you have questions regarding my ideology fire away and I'll try my best to answer.

Nathanba 6y ago

If that is the extent of effort you went to understand the other side then you never understood it. Can you give a reasoned, principled argument against open borders, transsexualism, liberalism itself? if you cant, you dont understand. You went to Trump supporters like to an ATM expecting a full service withdrawal. Life doesn't work that way, people dont either

scythe 6y ago
>Can you give a reasoned, principled argument against open borders, transsexualism, liberalism itself? I've heard plenty of reasoned arguments against those things. Here's the problem: they weren't given by Trump supporters. They came from moderates, or in some cases, from Marxists. Trumpism isn't just opposition to what Fox News says the Democratic Party supports. It's the belief structure that convinces people that "open borders" is even on the table in modern politics at all (it isn't). If you think that "open borders" is more likely in the next two decades than the country being destroyed by an asteroid impact, you're already in the disinformation hole.