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Is it ideological activism to enforce the terms of service which prohibit the incitement of violence?
by wilsynet 6y ago
Is it ideological activism to enforce the terms of service which prohibit the incitement of violence?
- toolz 6y agoTo directly answer your question, I would say no - however it is ideological activism to only enforce those ToS for specific services. The #killallmen hashtag has trended more than once on twitter, for example.
- wilsynet 6y agoAgreed. Twitter should enforce this more consistently.
- toolz 6y agoI would suggest in this specific incidence they are enforcing it very consistently in that they aren't punishing anyone for inciting that particular type of violence.
- cortesoft 6y agoSure, but no one has actually tried to kill all men. They didn't do this latest action until after people were actually killed by the violence incited.
- roenxi 6y agoThat is giving "kill all men" a metaphorical reading. That is a fair reading, it probably isn't actually a call to violence, they just feel frustrated about something. The issue is that a fair reading is not being applied evenly. Twitter interprets "To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th" [0] as a call to violence. That isn't even close to a fair metaphorical reading, and it was probably meant literally. [0] https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension.html https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspensio...
- etchalon 6y agoThe post made clear that it wasn't about the tweet itself, but the broader context and how the tweet was being interpreted by communities who sought to do harm. You can argue that's not fair to Trump, and don't pretend his accounts were banned for the literal meaning of the words, when the post you linked to makes clear the thinking behind the decision.
- throwaway316943 6y agoThis is the “video games cause violence argument”
- cortesoft 6y agoThat is no way comparable. This would be like if there was a video game where you killed politicians with machetes and then suddenly a bunch of politicians were killed in machete attacks. At that point, you wouldn’t be able to say the video game was not a cause. This is not blaming Trump for abstract violence in general, but for specific violence that he called for actually happening.
- cortesoft 6y agoRight, but the violence actually happened. If we suddenly had people reading the #killallmen hashtag as literal, and start killing men, then Twitter would likely ban it. Once Trump’s tweets led to an actual terrorist attack, they banned him. It is not a perfect system, but I think banning based on result is not an unfair system.
- rzz3 6y agoIt is still a very direct call to violence.
- astrange 6y agoHas anyone attempted to kill all men?
- toolz 6y agoAfter a quick search, yes there is at least one incident of a woman who killed a boy and stated that she wanted to kill all men. There may be more, I haven't spent much time on the subject, either way the definition of incitement doesn't require anyone to follow through with the incited actions.
- wilsynet 6y agoI definitely think that the person who killed a boy and stated that she wants to kill all men — I definitely think they shouldn’t have a Twitter account Has Twitter been made aware of this person and won’t suspend their account?
- odessacubbage 6y agovalerie solanas comes to mind