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Its going to be pretty rare to find a modern conservative who really cares about LGBTQ to the point where they are set out to fire them based on that. (though I

Its going to be pretty rare to find a modern conservative who really cares about LGBTQ to the point where they are set out to fire them based on that. (though Im sure you could find someone). I know quite a few conservatives and none of them care. I honestly see the differences between the moderate left and moderate right as almost insignificant. If a 3rd party was formed I wouldnt even be surprised. Were running out of room to reply here. Ill just say I guess the republican side is fractured just like the left is. For instance I know a lot of liberals who are not Marxists. Id really like that 3rd party. I feel like sane people are ready to ditch the insane people.

mlyle 6y ago
For something you seem to think is "pretty rare"... I know quite a few people who would gladly discriminate against LGBTQ. Indeed, a May 2020 Gallup poll says that 32% believe that same-sex consensual relations are wrong and 24% of the US believe that same-sex consensual relations should be illegal. So not only do they want to be able to not hire, they want people who like the same sex to face legal consequences.
wtallis 6y ago
And yet, Republicans (let's not argue who's a true conservative) have continued to put a lot of effort into fighting against LGBTQ protections in recent years. On the subject of "enabling the suppression of their fellow man", the only really hot-button issue for Republicans that can truly be framed as them defending against their own rights being suppressed is gun control. The rest of their major issues either fall on the wrong side of suppression, or aren't really about somebody being suppressed in any direct way.
- mlyle 6y ago
  In fairness, there are other issues framed this way. The "overreaction" to COVID-19 is seen as suppressing economic rights and livelihoods.
  - wtallis 6y ago
    Good point. Though a lot of the backlash against public health emergency powers actually being used when necessary is of a fairly knee-jerk, borderline anarchist nature (reminiscent of some recent anti-taxation movements that have been similarly vague). There's a difference between calling for government to have stronger protections on a particular right or freedom, vs simply rejecting any instance of government having a direct impact on your life.
    - mlyle 6y ago
      It tends to be accompanied with a belief that things are not that serious or that there won't be a real benefit from the measures. And the worst versions impute sinister motives among those implementing controls: that it's an attempt to suppress economic activity and make people slaves of the government/elites/etc.

mlyle 6y ago

For something you seem to think is "pretty rare"... I know quite a few people who would gladly discriminate against LGBTQ. Indeed, a May 2020 Gallup poll says that 32% believe that same-sex consensual relations are wrong and 24% of the US believe that same-sex consensual relations should be illegal. So not only do they want to be able to not hire, they want people who like the same sex to face legal consequences.

wtallis 6y ago

And yet, Republicans (let's not argue who's a true conservative) have continued to put a lot of effort into fighting against LGBTQ protections in recent years. On the subject of "enabling the suppression of their fellow man", the only really hot-button issue for Republicans that can truly be framed as them defending against their own rights being suppressed is gun control. The rest of their major issues either fall on the wrong side of suppression, or aren't really about somebody being suppressed in any direct way.

mlyle 6y ago
In fairness, there are other issues framed this way. The "overreaction" to COVID-19 is seen as suppressing economic rights and livelihoods.
- wtallis 6y ago
  Good point. Though a lot of the backlash against public health emergency powers actually being used when necessary is of a fairly knee-jerk, borderline anarchist nature (reminiscent of some recent anti-taxation movements that have been similarly vague). There's a difference between calling for government to have stronger protections on a particular right or freedom, vs simply rejecting any instance of government having a direct impact on your life.
  - mlyle 6y ago
    It tends to be accompanied with a belief that things are not that serious or that there won't be a real benefit from the measures. And the worst versions impute sinister motives among those implementing controls: that it's an attempt to suppress economic activity and make people slaves of the government/elites/etc.