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I guess the current consensus in the US is that it's okay for companies and medias to be arbitrators of what's wrong and what's right. What I don't understand i

I guess the current consensus in the US is that it's okay for companies and medias to be arbitrators of what's wrong and what's right. What I don't understand is why companies have double standards. For instances below, a politician, a media anchor, and a random singer. They didn't incite violence? -- Khamenei wanted to eradicate a people: https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1003332853525110784?lang=en https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/1003332853525110784?l... -- Chris Cuomo said protests didn't need to be peaceful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezGyemHna_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezGyemHna_k -- A rapper sang about how to rob Chinese families because "they don't believe in bank accounts": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFxOsUe0I8o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFxOsUe0I8o And what about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRnmnxVtDqg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRnmnxVtDqg That's okay because the right people claimed that Kavanaugh was a rapist?

chillwaves 6y ago
Amazon didn't write this law. 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
- roenxi 6y ago
  That reading of the law is frankly stupid. They are organising a protest and AWS isn't able to take on the responsibility of being the moderation team for an entire internet. And not every nasty comment on the internet represents a threat requiring a police response. There isn't any rebellion or insurrection going on, these are protests. We all know what a US political protest looks like, we've been watching them for years. There isn't anything especially new here.
  - f430 6y ago
    It's funny when one side does it, it's protesting and when the other does it, it's terrorism. Straight out of 1984
    - chillwaves 6y ago
      When did BLM try to overthrow the government? When did they try to execute politicians?
    - vernie 6y ago
      https://emojipedia.org/woozy-face/ https://emojipedia.org/woozy-face/
tenpies 6y ago
I think everyone is missing the context. The technology companies don't care about anything except making sure the new Biden government doesn't regulate them. Trump was looking into this in his final weeks so they're more than happy to pile on. Now Biden has an opportunity to extend government control into more facets of people's lives and Democrats never waste an opportunity to nudge us towards totalitarianism. The technology companies know this, so they may be making a "See? We're woke too! We agree with you - we banned all the Conservatives just like you would have anyway - no need to regulate" statement. The problem is, it may end up being a Faustian bargain.
- f430 6y ago
  is it possible for sitting President to order an executive order to breakup these companies that are openly challenging Trump who still has two more weeks left? even more worrying is the Cheynne complex where Trump flew to, I have a feeling he is planning something unthinkable.
  - TT3351 6y ago
    No; won't stop him from trying, hasn't stopped him in the past.
AI_WAIFU 6y ago
> hat I don't understand is why companies have double standards. What is there to not understand? Theres a simple explanation that fit's all the data. https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anythin...
f430 6y ago
> A rapper sang about how to rob Chinese families because "they don't believe in bank accounts": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFxOsUe0I8o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFxOsUe0I8o Imagine if this was a white or asian person making a rap video about how to not rob blacks because they don't have any money. Twitter and social media would explode with rage. Can people on HN explain why this double standard exists in America? It's okay to punch up but not punch down. Doesn't that already say a lot about the racial hierarchy in America? Doesn't this suggest that society considers blacks to be at the bottom of socioeconomic order and need to be "protected" at a politically correct level but refuse to offer the same vigilance when it comes to their economic well being?
ipv6ipv4 6y ago
None of your examples are existential threats to the fabric of our democracy. Put simply, they don't matter.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> I guess the current consensus in the US is that it's okay for companies and medias to be arbitrators of what's wrong and what's right. Well, if by “current” you mean “since the adoption of the Bill of Rights”, and if by “companies and medias” you mean “everyone, as to how they will use their own voice and property to promote messages”, yes, to you've correctly understood Constitutional free speech.

chillwaves 6y ago

Amazon didn't write this law. 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

roenxi 6y ago
That reading of the law is frankly stupid. They are organising a protest and AWS isn't able to take on the responsibility of being the moderation team for an entire internet. And not every nasty comment on the internet represents a threat requiring a police response. There isn't any rebellion or insurrection going on, these are protests. We all know what a US political protest looks like, we've been watching them for years. There isn't anything especially new here.
- f430 6y ago
  It's funny when one side does it, it's protesting and when the other does it, it's terrorism. Straight out of 1984
  - chillwaves 6y ago
    When did BLM try to overthrow the government? When did they try to execute politicians?
  - vernie 6y ago
    https://emojipedia.org/woozy-face/ https://emojipedia.org/woozy-face/

tenpies 6y ago

I think everyone is missing the context. The technology companies don't care about anything except making sure the new Biden government doesn't regulate them. Trump was looking into this in his final weeks so they're more than happy to pile on. Now Biden has an opportunity to extend government control into more facets of people's lives and Democrats never waste an opportunity to nudge us towards totalitarianism. The technology companies know this, so they may be making a "See? We're woke too! We agree with you - we banned all the Conservatives just like you would have anyway - no need to regulate" statement. The problem is, it may end up being a Faustian bargain.

f430 6y ago
is it possible for sitting President to order an executive order to breakup these companies that are openly challenging Trump who still has two more weeks left? even more worrying is the Cheynne complex where Trump flew to, I have a feeling he is planning something unthinkable.
- TT3351 6y ago
  No; won't stop him from trying, hasn't stopped him in the past.

AI_WAIFU 6y ago

> hat I don't understand is why companies have double standards. What is there to not understand? Theres a simple explanation that fit's all the data. https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anythin...

f430 6y ago

> A rapper sang about how to rob Chinese families because "they don't believe in bank accounts": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFxOsUe0I8o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFxOsUe0I8o Imagine if this was a white or asian person making a rap video about how to not rob blacks because they don't have any money. Twitter and social media would explode with rage. Can people on HN explain why this double standard exists in America? It's okay to punch up but not punch down. Doesn't that already say a lot about the racial hierarchy in America? Doesn't this suggest that society considers blacks to be at the bottom of socioeconomic order and need to be "protected" at a politically correct level but refuse to offer the same vigilance when it comes to their economic well being?

ipv6ipv4 6y ago

None of your examples are existential threats to the fabric of our democracy. Put simply, they don't matter.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> I guess the current consensus in the US is that it's okay for companies and medias to be arbitrators of what's wrong and what's right. Well, if by “current” you mean “since the adoption of the Bill of Rights”, and if by “companies and medias” you mean “everyone, as to how they will use their own voice and property to promote messages”, yes, to you've correctly understood Constitutional free speech.